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Identification of maker of shell and practice rounds

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JIm Plane

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I have 2 6 pound anti tank shells and to fired practice rounds that my father brought back from WW II where he was in the Canadian Army. I am trying to identify where the rounds and shells were made and if I can get 2 inert primers. Attached photos best show the detail. This is my first posting so do forgive me if I have not provided all tyhe necessary information.

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Those rounds look great, he had such foresight to save the transit tubes as well! Would it be possible for you to measure the outside diameter and the inside diameter of the lid?, just the cardboard bit please? and the overall length of the tube with lid?
Cheers Gary
 
These are 6 Pounder & 7 Hundredweight (CWT) Flathead Practice/T shot for the 6Pr 7Cwt anti tank gun. There should be a small hole in the base of each shot, or some trace of where the tracer would have been.
 
Thanks for your comment, indeed there is a small hole in the base of each shell and I remember my father telling me that was for the tracer. Thanks for the reminder.

Jim
 
Thanks for the info. Most useful. I noticed on closer examination there are lots of small and large arrows on the shots and nombers that seem to be associated with them. Are they meaningful? Also there are letters like I, 1VT, W and CP. again are they meaningful?

I'll try and follow up for the primers.

Thanks again.

Jim
 
The main user of these is artillery trials establishments for proving guns, cartridges, and shell designs. They are made in every respect to whatever they are proving, same weight, calibre, centre of gravity etc., so that being flat, they do not penetrate so far into the firing butts, resulting in far more frequent receptor replacement.
I started writing drivel. I thought you had found some obscure stampings, but for the most part they are part of the normal stampings on a normal shot.
The calibre = 6 Pr 7 CWT (cwt is the weight of the gun carriage), BS = Bar Steel, NSC = manufacturer, Date of manufacture, 67 = Lot number
 
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The cases look like they were from disassembled ammunition that was never fired. If they had been fired, the neck crimps would be blown out.

Other than that, very nice rounds.
 
YOu are right they were dissembled and as I thought I said the shots had been fired and retrieved and the shelsl weres in the containers. I had the shots placed in the shells. It would make sense that the neck crimp would be blown out although I had not thought of that. Thanks for pointing it out.

Jim
 
I was just reviewing the information I had received to my questions and realized that I had not thanked you for your response and information. It was most useful. I thought that I had received some information on the two cardboard containers but on reviewing the file the information does not seem to be present. I may have accidently deleated it. I was wondering if you had any info on the maker of the cardboard shell casings.

Thanks

Jim
 
TimG said:
Jim,

The cases were made by Robert Mitchell Co. Ltd., Ville, St. Laurent, Canada. RM/C
http://www2.ville.montreal.qc.ca/ar.../devindust/robertmitchell/robertmitchell.html

The projectiles were made by National Steel Car Corporation, Hamilton, Ontario - NSC
http://www.steelcar.com/

You need No. 15 Primers.

TimG
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I was just reviewing all the information I had received and realized that I had not thanked you for your information. It was most useful.

I am sure that I also received information on where the cardboard tubes were made but cannot find that and I suspect I may have deleted it by accident. Do you have any info on the maker of the cardboard tubes?

Also there are a number of markings on the shot which I don't understand. There are numbers and arrows and letters. Can you help with those as well?

Thanks again.

Jim
 
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