Israeli 30-MM

[jvollenberg]

Israeli 30-MM TP-T Round

Length: 104-MM


Any ideas on this?

Joe

 

[tomsk]

30mm DEFA used in Kfir and mirage 111c

 

[jonnyc]

Not to mention it was made in 1969, and both by stenciling and color it was made (or relegated) to training use only.

 

[jvollenberg]

Any ideas on the translation, or nomenclature? I am terrible at Israeli stuff.

Joe

 

[Eggburt1969]

The top bit seems to mean 30-550-DEFA-210. So 30 mm, 550 series cannon, the דפר meaning DEFA (aka dft or defer), and then the projectile code. The 210 is a bit weird as the first generation TP rounds with tombac driving bands were 2101 (M1 design projectile) and 2102 (M2 projectile) according to the book I have? Checking the same book, the rear of this projectile doesn't match either the 2101 and 2012. The cavity suggests the presence of a tracer (now removed), which wasn't present in either the 2101 or 2102.

 

[jvollenberg]

which book are you looking in?

 

[Eggburt1969]

which book are you looking in?

It's titled Les Canon de Bord a Barillet "30 mm DEFA et Leurs Munitions". By Claude Jacquinet. Published in 2013.

http://www.livre-aviation.com/LES-CANONS-DE-BORD-A-BARILLET-30-MM-DEFA-p-16082-c-1500_1502.html

I kept meaning to buy this one by the same person, 'Manurhin Cusset-Montpertuis 1938-2006', but forgot and it seems very hard to find now.

 

[jonnyc]

The top bit seems to mean 30-550-DEFA-210. So 30 mm, 550 series cannon, the דפר meaning DEFA (aka dft or defer), and then the projectile code. The 210 is a bit weird as the first generation TP rounds with tombac driving bands were 2101 (M1 design projectile) and 2102 (M2 projectile) according to the book I have? Checking the same book, the rear of this projectile doesn't match either the 2101 and 2012. The cavity suggests the presence of a tracer (now removed), which wasn't present in either the 2101 or 2102.

Your last Hebrew letter, on the left is incorrect. You have a "Resh (R)" which makes it DEFAR, but on the round is a "Hey (H)" which completes the word to DEFA. The bottom line says, from right to left: LOT (10/69 - 65 T.Z.)(IMI) TRAINING

 

[Eggburt1969]

Your last Hebrew letter, on the left is incorrect. You have a "Resh (R)" which makes it DEFAR, but on the round is a "Hey (H)" which completes the word to DEFA. The bottom line says, from right to left: LOT (10/69 - 65 T.Z.)(IMI) TRAINING

I'll take your word for it, as I don't read, write, or transliterate Hebrew. I just tried to input the closest characters to what I could see and unfortunately got it wrong. Still means DEFA thankfully.

Unfortunately it doesn't solve the model of the projectile. I take it that it's either an IMI-specific design, or not one in the book I have.