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Licence for HGr-collections?
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pzgr40
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In the Netherlands you cannot collect handgrenades with a licensce. You need a "categorie II ontheffing" which translates as a "Category II exemption". An exemption surpasses a licence in the Netherlands. The "categorie II exemption" is needed for collecting any military grade ammmo above .50 calibre.
The Dutch law does not see handgrenades and landmines as ammo, but as a weapon on itself, as it does not need any further equipment to make it function.
I would however be careful with asking a licence or permit, as I understand there is going to be an european weapon/ammo (collecting) law, of cource followed by each seperate country adding it's own local laws.
The Dutch law does not see handgrenades and landmines as ammo, but as a weapon on itself, as it does not need any further equipment to make it function.
I would however be careful with asking a licence or permit, as I understand there is going to be an european weapon/ammo (collecting) law, of cource followed by each seperate country adding it's own local laws.
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pzgr40
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The Netherlands has one of the most strict weapon/ammo laws in the world, and shurely the most strict of Europe. In the Netherlands for instance, even plastic toy handgrenades resembling a handgrenade in shape, size, and /or colour, either table lighters in the form of a handgrenade are strictly forbidden and seen upon by the law as functioning handgrenades as one can use them to threaten people. Same for plastic toy guns that look too much like a real ones in shape, size and/or colour.
For instance, a couple of years ago I was in London, where in a souvernir shop one sold plastic M16 1:1 scale models one had to glue together and paint. If you are caught in the Netherlands with such a thing (even with a closed box and not assemnbled) it will cost you a 400 to 500 Euro penalty, as well as a criminal record for firearm offences. After that , you will not be able to apply for a licence/exmption anymore and you will end up in the police records as "armed and dangerous" which has it's consequenses when stopped at a simple traffic control.
Regards, DJH
For instance, a couple of years ago I was in London, where in a souvernir shop one sold plastic M16 1:1 scale models one had to glue together and paint. If you are caught in the Netherlands with such a thing (even with a closed box and not assemnbled) it will cost you a 400 to 500 Euro penalty, as well as a criminal record for firearm offences. After that , you will not be able to apply for a licence/exmption anymore and you will end up in the police records as "armed and dangerous" which has it's consequenses when stopped at a simple traffic control.
Regards, DJH
The problem with such a license is that the people who do stupid things like collecting live stuff from ranges won't apply for one. People who collect and own legally will be identified but that will achieve little apart form maybe an annual visit from the authorities. More red tape.
John
John
pzgr40
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The Police in the UK don't seem to have enough resources to investigate a whole range of crimes, such as criminal damage, burglary, minor assaults and more. Where are they going to find the time to visit collectors and then look at a load of stuff they can't identify and could not tell if it was live or not anyway. UK police have no specialist Ordnance training. The EOD would have to do the visits and I'm quite sure they would say it was outside their remit to schedule hundreds of visits a year.
John
John
pzgr40
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The fact that you got a licence in the Netherlands without having a Dutch passport says it all. It also means you automatically fell in the low risc, no visits category.
You left Nl about five years ago, and a lot has changed since the Alphen a/d rijn mall shooting spree. By now our government is considering a compulsary (anual?)psycological evaluation for every sport shooter, weapon and ammunition collector.
You left Nl about five years ago, and a lot has changed since the Alphen a/d rijn mall shooting spree. By now our government is considering a compulsary (anual?)psycological evaluation for every sport shooter, weapon and ammunition collector.
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Just to add they are closing police stations all over the place down south and cutting back on officers on the street.
jeeeensy
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With the policing of such a law in the UK and the closure of stations all over with cutbacks in gov't funding.
I'm afraid many collectors would be soft targets and easy prey.. much like the motorist,, it would be black or white.. running 40 in a 30.. your nicked
and do or do not have a collection of inert Hgr's or alike , your nicked.
JMHO..
I'm afraid many collectors would be soft targets and easy prey.. much like the motorist,, it would be black or white.. running 40 in a 30.. your nicked
and do or do not have a collection of inert Hgr's or alike , your nicked.
JMHO..
I have a friend who collects old bottles. Far more dangerous in the wrong hands than an inert grenade (more people are killed and injured by bottles than inert grenades).
Shall we have a licence for those as well?
How about knife and sword collections - they can be really scary.
Collection of cavalry lances? Get a licence.
Collection of military vehicles?
Sorry, but the whole idea of a licence for any form of collecting is stupid.
Firearms Yes - Shotguns - Yes - Anything else -forget it.
John
Shall we have a licence for those as well?
How about knife and sword collections - they can be really scary.
Collection of cavalry lances? Get a licence.
Collection of military vehicles?
Sorry, but the whole idea of a licence for any form of collecting is stupid.
Firearms Yes - Shotguns - Yes - Anything else -forget it.
John
You might also want to consider the fact that we are in the EU and some laws have to be EU wide.
I understand the law in Belgium is that you can own a live pre 1945 firearm without a special licence as long as you do not have ammunition for it. How about that law in the UK?
John
I understand the law in Belgium is that you can own a live pre 1945 firearm without a special licence as long as you do not have ammunition for it. How about that law in the UK?
John
Interesting to see that this subject gets people wound up,but that doesn't change or stop legislation. As I asked earlier in this thread,could someone please clarify the proposed new laws???? My collection is a shadow of what it used to be as what's the point in owning items of value if they can be worthless overnight? What I find most ironic is this forum is used by collectors AND eod,police etc. Yet when the knock at the door comes it's the same eod and police taking your collection away,even though some are collectors themselves!! Moaning will not stop legislation,action does,and thinking that if you keep your head down will mean you wont be labelled as a nutter and get a visit is bullshine. I ride motorcycles,go caving and mine exploring,fishing,green laning,etc,etc,and all are regulated,licenced and controlled. We collect inert ammunition and explosive devices designed to kill,so should expect it too unfortunately. As Bocn members we are already known to the police,FACT,but as a responsible collectors of inert ammo,Bocn membership adds credit.Also,if having a licence or letting someone view my collection as per owning a firearm means I can collect and display my ammo,without risk of losing it then that's fine. Too many people bury there heads in the sand on here,perhaps they should play safe and collect stamps? just my thoughts. Happy new year. Tig.
Hello I collect more than 25 years, i am happy with the law as we have it now, of course there are things that could be better, but in Holland mostly everything is forbidden,....... but you can get a licence , if you want to collect live full auto fire arms, its forbidden, but ...it is possible, it will take a lot of time but it is still possible, if you want to collect ( hand ) Grenades or mines, even AP mines its forbidden but you can get a license for it. as long as you are a serious collector you should have no problems. As soon as you go digging or selling ammo on the internet you have a problem and you will loose your licence. If we want to buy something in an other country we need papers, even when it is inert, yes we would like to have other laws, but I do not think that it will happen. If you see the situation in Belgium that they want to ban the sales of inert Ammo on the shows like Ciney and Arlon, i am curios how the Government in Belgium will handle this, Collecting inert Ammo is free in Belgium, we will soon find out they are making the new law this month. There is a rumour that there they want to ban everything in Belgium, and that the collectors will have the same system as we have in Holland, of course we would like to have the same law as in the UK, but you see what is happening, if you have bad luck there will be a knock on the door and you loose everything, this could not happen in Holland, if i carry something into my car, and the police stops me, i have my paperwork, that's the big plus with paperwork. i know not everybody in Holland agrees with me, but i think that the system we have is not too bad, I wish you all a Wonderful 2015, in Good Health and may all your wishes come through. Regards Ben
I don't think so Ben - last night I wished that your collection would be in my garage when I woke up. This morning when I wnet to look what did I find? The usual old rubbish plus a small hedgehog. Next year perhaps
love dave
love dave
keep wishing perhaps one day regards Ben
no Ben, its not a piece of naval ordnance, its a small animal with a leg in each corner and a punk hairstyle - you'll probably find some in downtown Amsterdam if they haven't all been eaten.