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Looking for British No.3 Mk.I Rod Grenade Photos

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the.rebel.agent

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Hello there!
Just found this forum and I think is awesome. That's the history. I am doing a restoration work and I need photo from real grenades, so IF you have this grenade in your collection, I would love to see photos, in case you have them. Any help will be appreciated.:tinysmile_twink_t:
 
Wow, thanks. Never saw it painted that way, do you know IF they were painted that way or Paul painted it to preserve it? I guess I should be doing this question to the owner :tinysmile_tongue_t:
 
hi rebel.
the gren is the correct colors.
a lot of 1ww ordnance was painted ochre yellow and the red band indicated it was high explosive. it was also common practice to have another coloured band to indicate what sort of explosive was used.
a pink band was for Ammonal and a green one for Amatol or Baratol.
cheers, paul.
 
Did not know that. Most of the photos I saw were black & white. And the color ones were only a piece of rusted metal. Thanks for the info.:tinysmile_grin_t:
 
paul the grenade said:
hi rebel.
the gren is the correct colors.
a lot of 1ww ordnance was painted ochre yellow and the red band indicated it was high explosive. it was also common practice to have another coloured band to indicate what sort of explosive was used.
a pink band was for Ammonal and a green one for Amatol or Baratol.
cheers, paul.
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Paul, whats the story of the second one you have in your website? The one completely rusted.:hmmmm2:
 
Have another question. I noticed several construction differences in this model of grenade. Is there any book that just speaks about this model?
 
Wow! That's what I was talking about, thanks!

So, what about the different design of the vane? You will see them in the following photos. Even the frag body has a different pattern. Did you notice?

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Last one has a groove at the vane that previous ones did not. I guess there were rush doing them at that time so standards/blueprints were a little bit scarce.
 
It's OK. And according to this, the frag body was originally made of brass? That would explain some things, but what about the rusted ones?
 
NOMENCLATURE: Grenade .303 in Short Rifle, No.3 and 3A

SERVICE: Land, Naval

DESIGN/PATTERN NO: C.I.W. 2164

TYPE: Rifle, Rodded, Percussion

FILLED WEIGHT: 1 lb 5 ozs without rod

EXPLOSIVE CONTENT AND WT OF EXPLOSIVE: 2 ounces 2 1/2 drs
TROTYL in two pellets

PRINCIPAL DESIGN FEATURES: Segegmented steel body with brass case, which carries a brass vane and setback collar. Safety pin passed through collar. Base fitted with a spring clip to grip nose cap of rifle and is threaded to take a 10 inch rod. Range 200 yrds.

MARKING: Red filling ring; Pink band to denote Ammonal or Green to denote Amatol or Trotyl



Mk 1 introduced 16 Feb 1915 Previously known as the "J" Pattern Military Grenade .Obsolete 11/12/22

Mk 1* Without spring clip, Land Service only .Obsolete 11/12/22

Mk 2 introduced 31 July 1915 Body more tapered to permit better airflow to vane. Central tube sealed by rubber Washer. Filled with AMMONAL,or AMATOL 80/20 .Obsolete 11/12/22

Mk 2* 3 introduced Unknown .There are obscure references to these markes, but no details are known.Obsolete 11/12/22

Mk 3A MK1 Modified pattern to improve airflow over vanes ‑ square base. Filled with two 2 ounce pellets of TONITE.Obsolete 11/12/22

Mk 1* Without spring clip. Land Service only.Obsolete 11/12/22

Mk 2 Without spring clip; rounded base.Obsolete 11/12/22

NOTE The above information is from an unknown source and i do not know how reliable the information is especially with the repeated MKs so please just use as a rough guideline
spotter
The following is from "an introduction to british grenades" by I.D Skennerton
Mk1 10in rod,spring clip at base for SMLE rifle nosecap
Mk1* No spring clip ,land service only
Mk2 More tapered body for better airflow to vanes,Rubber washer seal
Mk2*&3 spring clips removed
No3A-
Mk1 Like no3 mk2 Tonite filling,Trotyl or amatol 40/60 for Naval
Mk1* No spring clip ,land service only
Mk2 Same as no3A Mk1* but new manufacture and different striker
 

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