Need help with identification

[Gary Campbell]

Hi everyone

Need help with identification:

50mm x 85 mm

/Gary Campbell

 

[weberoed]

* Diameter: ± 50 mm
* Length: ± 85 mm
* Material: steel
* Weight: 502 grams
* Striker-release firing system (or similar)

Looks kind of Spanish, but ??

 

[EOD Sterling]

Gary, we're working on this as well, still getting nowhere with it.

The design looks very Spanish, in particular the Safety Pin and Ring are consistent with grenades produced by EXPAL.
I'm working my leads, once we have a solid ID, I'll make sure to post it unless you beat me to it.

Mike

 

[blu97]

We have one in our collection for over 25 years as an unkwown, hope a solution will show up.
Erik

 

[EOD Sterling]

Blu97, do you have any more detailed pictures, especially of the fuze mechanism and internals that you can share? Every little bit gets us closer! I'm working a contact in Spain now.

 

[blu97]

Can do but wil be after the easter weekend.

 

[blu97]

Her you are, when the safety lever is released (1) the notch (2) is free to rotate which release the 2 firing pins (3). Note 1 firing pin is released.

 

[weberoed]

Blu97, were there any markings or numbers on your grenade? Also the part on the grenade pictures that is red, is it the same on yours and is it a paint or plastic cover over of the body? Thanks for the pics

 

[blu97]

There is only stamped in 34, the body is unpainted steel, the fuze body aluminium. The one gary shows is also steel.

 

[Gary Campbell]

Hi all
This object looks more and more interesting. Very similar on the outside but not entirely. Why two firing pins?

 

[EOD Sterling]

BLU-97, outstanding fuze function pictures, thank you so very much!

I'm working some additional contacts now, just waiting for them to flesh out.

I'll tell you guys... the Tech that Identifies this little sucker is going to have some International Bragging Rights at the pub!

 

[weberoed]

A comment on the WWII Ord site is saying it looks like a Belgium primer, etc. But I can not find any similarities

 

[Gary Campbell]

Hi all

We have been into that it is either made locally under a war or a trial/test grenade, because of it's rather unusual solution with the ignitor and it's crude looks. remarks on that?

 

[blu97]

Personaly I think its a factory made trial/prototype grenade which never came in production. I found out that we aquired the item in the 70ths, so that excludes warschau pact countries.

 

[EOD Sterling]

Hey folks, wanted to revive this thread, just to see if anyone has gained any traction on this blasted thing?
I've sent the pictures to EXPAL in Spain.... they aren't exactly responsive.
Anything I get back Ill post.

 

[blu97]

not a clue sofar.

 

[Eugenio]

I has never seen this grenade in Spain, also the safety pin/ring are not exclusive to spanish designs.
The configuration of this grenade, body made of steel, put it outside the timeline of the selections made by the spanish armed forces (1946, 1970, 1980, 1986, 1995, 1998, 2000)