no23 real or fake

[xPANZERx]

I think this is real but I would like a second opinion

thnks xPANZERx

 

[Millsman]

Difficult to tell. The casting looks rough, especially in the first photo and the area where the lever sits does not look quite right. The segments there look too wide.

I'm 60/40 against it at present.

John

 

[staples57]

It looks very similar to the fake No.5 that Dave Sampson has on his site.
The misaligned casting is very similar to his.

Is it possible to get photos of the top (looking down) and of the threads at the base of the body?

Cheers,
Brad

 

[Snufkin]

I think this is real but I would like a second opinion

It's genuine, and I believe the body manufacturer is REVO.



Tom.

 

[xPANZERx]

Here's a pic of the top its not good but it should do, the casting looks like its aligned correctly
also the seller says that the markings on the body look more like C and a A maybe Callenders Abbots Foundry Co Ltd though i do not know if they made no23s.
also no manufacture marks on the base?

 

[Snufkin]

Here's a pic of the top its not good but it should do, the casting looks like its aligned correctly
also the seller says that the markings on the body look more like C and a A maybe Callenders Abbots Foundry Co Ltd though i do not know if they made no23s.
also no manufacture marks on the base?

Compare the castings. Pretty much the same master pattern was used to cast from (the letters C A are on opposite aspects admittedly).

This is one of only two or three No.5 that I accept has its original base plug from WWI - it was given to me by an old lady, whom as a little girl remembered her father bringing it home from the Great War. It was a blind, either from the front or a bombing range, and the detonator had fired totally destroying the brass centre piece but it turned out not to have been filled with a burster charge. Anyway the REVO base plug was well sealed and was never removed, until I acquired it some years ago.

Callendar Abbots didn't come into being until 1933 with the amalgamation of Callendar Iron Co. and Abbotts Foundry Co.




Tom.

 

[xPANZERx]

can any one tell me which wwi manufacturer used C A markings
thnks xPANZERx

 

[butterfly]

Why the initial doubt on this one??
regards Kev

 

[xPANZERx]

not sure relay, just didn't look quite right to me. just a little voice in my head saying that looks a bit like a repro I saw a while ago.
also the casting is quite rough

 

[millsbomber]

the dodgy pictures dont help,,,,,, Dave

 

[xPANZERx]

no not at all

 

[Snufkin]

can any one tell me which wwi manufacturer used C A markings
thnks xPANZERx

As above, REVO.

Actually Cable Accessories Ltd, which was set up in 1907 became, in late 1916, REVO Electrical Ltd. Cable Accessories was awarded TW contract 4536 at the end of 1916 for indefinite supply of No.5 and then No.23 MkII grenades at the rate of 10,000 per week. While very few makers put their monogram on No.5 or No.23I/II bodies (CA Vandervell did occasionally) it could well be that the CA in this case is for Cable Accessories rather than just being a mould identification. However, the company was operating as REVO from the period when it started producing Mills bombs, as shown by the REVO monogram on the base plugs.




Tom.