Please help me ID this shell

[bud2612]

It's about 37mm wide and 110mm long, I am enclosing pictures, THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR HELP

 

[Fuzeman]

Im sure one of our experts will identify it i can say its German ( picture3 shows waffenampt stamps) and a popular calibre was 37M/M

 

[StielGr]

It is a 3.7cm Pzgr. (b). for the 3.7cm Pak.
b = bungsgescho for practice projectile.

It should have a dummy 5103 base fuse but I don't know what has been put in it's place.

PC

 

[doctor]

Hi Steve
Seem to bee 3.7cm Pzgr Patr without tracer with internal fuze for AT gun, Not a AA shell

 

[Grenademan2005]

Hi:
The Ubungs shells are rare to find. And very nice if are well marked. StielGr, very nice shell with original paint.

 

[StielGr]

StielGr, very nice shell with original paint.

Thank you for the kind words.
I have added some more pictures.

PC

 

[Grenademan2005]

Very nice.

 

[bud2612]

You guys are great! I just never saw a german eagel with the wing shaped like that. What is the meaning of the inscriptions on the base?
Do you have a picture of the weapon?

 

[Grenademan2005]

Are you talking about my last pic?

 

[StielGr]

Some pictures of the 3.7cm Pak.
I hope they are of help.

 

[bud2612]

No I meant the base of my shell

 

[Grenademan2005]

At the base of your shell there arent eagles.

 

[Mariusz Loslau]

Hi,

It is a 3.7cm Pzgr. (b). for the 3.7cm Pak.
b = bungsgescho for practice projectile.

But where you see b stamp on this projectile?
I think it's normal AP projectile, with "something" not oryginal on base - just another "military art" on desk.

My 3,7cm bungsgescho have UB stamp, and fuze imitation - with tracer.

Regards.

 

[Grenademan2005]

Some pictures of the 3.7cm Pak.
I hope they are of help.

Hey:
Where is the PAK canone with the Stielgr41? At a museum? Looks nice!!!

 

[Grenademan2005]

Hi,



But where you see b stamp on this projectile?
I think it's normal AP projectile, with "something" not oryginal on base - just another "military art" on desk.

My 3,7cm bungsgescho have UB stamp, and fuze imitation - with tracer.

Regards.

You may can be right. Anyway there is another side which we cant see.

 

[StielGr]

Hello Mariusz
You have posted a very good question. The evidence for the b projectile is not based on the b stamp or lack of in this example.

You will notice that the first 3 projectiles all have one thing in common. That is 3 waffenamt stamps on the main projectile body. Normal pzgr projectiles are of a hardened metal and therefore the stamps are on the drive band or below. The b was a soft metal projectile and the waffenamts were stamped on the main body.

It may be just coincidence but also all the b projectiles I have seen to date have been fired.

PC

 

[StielGr]

Hey:
Where is the PAK canone with the Stielgr41? At a museum? Looks nice!!!

It is the Saltzwedel neu battery, an Atlantic Wall museum in Oostende, Belgium.
http://users.telenet.be/alex.deseyne/ENG/BatterijSaltzwedelE.htm

I haven't had the change to visit yet but it is top of my list and I hope to go there soon, maybe even this summer. I have been told it is very good.

 

[Grenademan2005]

I will be there next May. arty:
Also totally agree with your explanation of the b shell.

 

[Mariusz Loslau]

Hi,
Here foto of base fuze imitation and tracer.


Regards.

 

[FHGrStg]

bungsminition

From H.D.v.48173

Regards,