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I’ve got two projectiles I’m looking for confirmation and model numbers. I believe both to be Swiss, though I’m not sure with the second. The first measures 75mm, the second 84mm. The second has a Swiss type cross stamped above the rotating band.
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Apologies - I'm working from location and much of my posting is being done on a cell phone that doesn't like me and with 1-2 bars of connectivity. Some photos refuse to load, others take 5 minutes, and in my frustration I'm inadvertently loading wrong photos. Here is the correct second photo.

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Hi,
The first is 7.5cm Feld Kanone Spitzgranate Momentanzünder (591-1644)
The second is a practice shell (with HE charge). Maybe a 8.4cm (similar to 20pr), "EUG" type (Explosiv-übungsgranate)
 
Jeff two drawings of the first one

Regards Chris
 

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For the second I'm quite sure the designation is "8.4cm PAK 55 EUG Lsp MZ54" (8.4cm PRAC-HE-T)
 
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