What's new
British Ordnance Collectors Network

Join over 14,000 collectors of inert military ordnance. Get expert identification help for shells, fuzes, grenades, and more — plus access our classifieds marketplace and decades of archived knowledge. Free to register, takes seconds.

Russian 120mm krupp

120/50-mm Guns of the First and Second Patterns

The appearance of 120/50-mm guns in Russian artillery was connected with the experience of the Russo-Japanese War. Initially, the War Ministry attempted to obtain 120/45-mm Canet guns from the Naval Ministry, but this was unsuccessful. Therefore, in 1905, Russia purchased 24 guns from Vickers, with a caliber of 120 mm and a barrel length of 50 calibers. They arrived in Libava that summer, after which 22 guns were sent to Harbin. They saw practically no combat during the war against Japan.

120/50-mm Gun of the First Pattern

The guns purchased from Vickers received the designation 120/50-mm Gun of the First Pattern from the Main Artillery Directorate (GAU). Production of the same type of gun was subsequently established at the Obukhov Steel Works. The gun was primarily a naval system and was installed on various ships of the Russian fleet.

Thus, the First Pattern became the original design on which later variants of the 120/50-mm gun were developed for different operating conditions.

120/50-mm Gun of the Second Pattern

The Second Pattern was not a fundamentally new system; rather, it was a further development of the 120/50-mm gun of the First Pattern. The main artillery components were retained, but the design was modified to meet the requirements of the War Ministry and to allow the gun to be used as coastal artillery.

Particular attention was paid to the gun mounting and to the possibility of installing it on different types of foundations. The gun had good ballistic performance and relatively low weight, allowing it to be mounted on both concrete and wooden foundations.

The first Second Pattern gun was tested at the Main Artillery Test Range in 1912–1913. A total of 230 rounds were fired during the trials, with a muzzle velocity reaching 930 m/s. However, the trials revealed a deficiency in the mounting: firing caused significant displacement of the aiming mechanisms, reaching up to 40° in elevation and 50° in traverse. This deficiency required structural corrections.

As a result, by the beginning of the First World War there were two closely related variants of the same 120/50-mm artillery system: the First Pattern, representing the original Vickers design and its Russian production, and the Second Pattern, a modified version adapted primarily for coastal use.

The subsequent widespread use of 120/50-mm guns led to their employment not only in coastal defense and aboard ships, but also on the land front.





the photos of the canon are related to the second model of the russian vickers 120mm thats adopted for the land use.

Basically its the same gun wich verifies my thesis , but its been produced diffrently wich lead to ballistical improvement.
Numbers and placement of weapons on ships in 1916... or possibly on the coast.
1789729705156.png
1789728964188.png
1789729004903.png

Russia placed orders with Japan for shell casings and other components for 120mm weapons—systems that were also in service there...
---
1789731177828.png
1789731211068.png
An enormous quantity...
Akon
 
Last edited:
Numbers and placement of weapons on ships in 1916... or possibly on the coast.
View attachment 211632
View attachment 211630
View attachment 211631

Russia placed orders with Japan for shell casings and other components for 120mm weapons—systems that were also in service there...
Akon
Well this info might be useful but at my location im dealing with (Таон) artillery battery unit , thats related to the 12th army in early 1917 and late 1916.
Il just check the state lists , but before we have to define the shell , il post it tomorrow
 
There are collections of GAU orders spanning the years 19XX –1918 ...; you can search them using keywords—for example, "shrapnel," "12cm," "Krupp," and so on. This means you can find information regarding the handling of specific ammunition and weapons in a given year. Naturally, this includes the introduction of the weapons themselves and various technical details—such as revisions to ammunition blueprints.

1789735620283.png
1789735742263.png
Example:
1789734752460.png

1789734803392.png
>>>>
1789735084808.png
That is one possibility of where to look... the names of the sources you will encounter during your search.
....
I assume that the option to search on the online.archives.ru website is actually blocked for you.Without it, you have virtually no way to search across all the collections at once...

Akon
 
Last edited:
Top