SS-TV DWM 1938 8x57 rounds for SS totenkopfverbände

[Ernst...]

Got these in last week.
8x57mm rounds made by DWM for the SS totenkopfverbände.
Pretty rare rounds. These were found in Russia, in a swamp.
To show you and possible sale or trade. Grtz, Ernst.

 

[Dutch]

I am sorry but these SS stamped cartridges are not military. and had also nothing to do with them.
They were only made to mil specs, just like ammo ordered by police or customs.

If you ordered these day’s a few million rounds as a gunsmith or store, you also get also your name printed on the head stamp.

Rgds

 

[pysall]

Stupid question.... so how did they get to be found in a swamp in Russia if they were not military? German tourists hunting bears?

 

[Slick]

Those are in extremely fine condition for having been found in a swamp. Shells I've had in a climate controlled shop look worse.
Here is a bit of info from the IAA:

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/ss-tv-7-9-mystery-continues/10697/41

 

[Dutch]

Those are in extremely fine condition for having been found in a swamp. Shells I've had in a climate controlled shop look worse.
Here is a bit of info from the IAA:

https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/ss-tv-7-9-mystery-continues/10697/41

I think these cartridges were spending some hours in a tumbler.

@pysall,Until the end of 1939 they had to buy their own gear. Sometimes surplus,sometimes new.
It changed a little by the invasion of France. Factories who worked for the army were already on the top of the production and In Feb/March 1940 the SS complained that they had too little transport facilities and no heavy arms, like artillery, PAK and MG’s and they also need more K98K rifles.
The Wehrmacht did not care, so they found a solution by organizing the “found” trucks, guns and ammunition in the CSR.
Later they get their supplies out of normal “Wehrmacht” channels.

 

[pysall]

@ Dutch...ok I think I understand what you are saying now. The cartridges were purchased by the SS through private commercial factories not associated with the Heereswaffenamt.
I presume that also explains why I have never seen a "regulation" 15 round box for these rounds. They were made for the SS but were not manufactured in a Government-run factory.

 

[Dutch]

@ Dutch...ok I think I understand what you are saying now. The cartridges were purchased by the SS through private commercial factories not associated with the Heereswaffenamt.
I presume that also explains why I have never seen a "regulation" 15 round box for these rounds. They were made for the SS but were not manufactured in a Government-run factory.

The DWM was a privat factory who made amunition for the HWA. The cartridges with a SS head stamp was a privat order.
The cartridges were delivered in 15 round boxes.

 

[Fernet]

La DWM était une usine privée qui fabriquait des munitions pour la HWA. Les cartouches portant le marquage SS étaient une commande privée.
Les cartouches étaient livrées en boîtes de 15.

Bien que ce message soit ancien (c'est d'ailleurs ce qui m'a amené à découvrir ce forum), je me permets d'y répondre au cas où cela s'avérerait utile à d'autres membres : la boîte montrée sur la photo n'a aucun lien avec les munitions allemandes « DWM 1938 SS » ou « SS TV ».

Les deux « S » sur la boîte signifient simplement « schweres Spitzgeschoss », ce qui se traduit par « balle pointue lourde ». Cela n'a rien à voir avec les douilles ou les balles portant les marques runiques « SS ».

Cordialement

 

[tigbrand]

Bien que ce message soit ancien (c'est d'ailleurs ce qui m'a amené à découvrir ce forum), je me permets d'y répondre au cas où cela s'avérerait utile à d'autres membres : la boîte montrée sur la photo n'a aucun lien avec les munitions allemandes « DWM 1938 SS » ou « SS TV ».

Les deux « S » sur la boîte signifient simplement « schweres Spitzgeschoss », ce qui se traduit par « balle pointue lourde ». Cela n'a rien à voir avec les douilles ou les balles portant les marques runiques « SS ».

Cordialement

Hi Fernet, Can you please post in English on the site, via a translator app or similar please.
This is an English language site.
Thanks Tig.

 

[Fernet]

Hi Fernet, Can you please post in English on the site, via a translator app or similar please.
This is an English language site.
Thanks Tig.

I am very sorry; I used a translator to post in English, but the message was posted in French instead. I may have made a mistake.
Please accept my apologies.

 

[Fernet]

The DWM was a privat factory who made amunition for the HWA. The cartridges with a SS head stamp was a privat order.
The cartridges were delivered in 15 round boxes.

So, I am correcting and reposting what I previously said, this time in English.

"Although this post is old (which is, in fact, what led me to discover this forum), I am taking the liberty of replying to it in case it proves useful to other members: the box shown in the photo has no connection whatsoever to 'DWM 1938 SS' or 'SS TV' German ammunition.

The two 'S's on the box simply stand for 'schweres Spitzgeschoss,' which translates to 'heavy pointed bullet.' This has nothing to do with casings or bullets that bear the 'SS' runic markings."

Best regards.

 

[tigbrand]

Thankyou Fernet. Welcome to Bocn.

 

[Fernet]

Thankyou Fernet. Welcome to Bocn.

Thank you for your sympathy!

 

[rigby]

Fernet,
what 'dutch' meant to say is that these were the standard boxes in which cartridges with 'SS' headstamps were supplied.
BTW, 'dutch' was the specialist when it came to German 7.92x57 ammunition from WWII.