Three Igniters needing Identification.

[ron3350]

I show 3 igniters found detecting?by someone in Belgium or Europe that I have had for a few years. Any ID is welcome.

Top one is unknown use and is a copper detonator with muck-metal alloy top.
63mm overall, 36mm across the alloy, 9mm copper detonator, 40mm long det. What is it and use?

Centre is common item noted in Kugel grenades but I think this is incorrect and ignites some mortar.
50mm long, stamped LB. What is the correct name and use of this item?

Bottom item I have no idea of the use.Copper and brass. 103mm overall, 69mm detonator or bottom, 11mm diameter.
The part inside the threaded part is magnetic and looks like a copper twisted wire in the top.

 

[sgdbdr]

Hi,

I'd say top one is for Russian RG12 or RG14


Cheers,

S.

 

[MINENAZ16]

second : Reisszündschraube (Artillery gun)

 

[Alpini]

Reisszündschraube

old: Friktionszündschraube
new: Reibzündschraube

"Friktion" and "Reibung" is expressing the same

 

[Eggburt1969]

Sorry, forgot to post these yesterday. Various diagrams from Russian manuals on what the angled igniter may be. A caption (description and source) for each diagram is below its respective image.



Model 1912 Hand Grenade Diagram - 1913 Manual



Model 1914 Hand Grenade Diagram - 1917 Manual



Model 1914-30 Hand Grenade Diagram - 1939 Manual



Model 1914-30 Hand Grenade Igniter Diagram -1939 Manual

 

[MINENAZ16]

What is the difference between M14 and M14/30 russian hand grenade ?

 

[Eggburt1969]

What is the difference between M14 and M14/30 Russian hand grenade ?

Though they look similar, many, many things differ between the two.

Essentially the Model 1914/30 became an offensive/defensive grenade with a removable 100 g cast-iron sleeve. This added when the grenade was to be used in a defensive mode.

In offensive mode the Model 1914/30 produces 2,500-2,800 fragments, their effective lethal range 5 m. In defensive mode, the grenade produces up to 3,000 fragments, the lethal range going up to 25 m. The mode's respective danger ranges were 25 m and 100 m.

The Model 1914 produced only 200-250 effective fragments. The effective lethal range of the fragments was dependent on the filler, which varied quite a lot. Data in a book gives the lethal range as 4-12 m, and the danger range as 30-50 m.

The time delay of their fuzes differs too. The Model 1914's time delay was about 4 seconds, whereas the Model 1914/30's was 3.5-5.0 seconds.



Specs for the Model 1914.



Specs for the Model 1914/30.