Three rare 3,7 cm Skoda shell cases

[Hoeksel]

I am helping a collector with several ID's. Shown are 3 rare shell case head stamps. I am looking for verification/help for the ID and explain some abbreviations.

1 - I suspect a Czech made Bulgarian 3,7 cm Skoda M1937. Bulgaria is pretty convincing as they often used "D" to represent "L" as in "L/48". The Skoda 3,7 cm M1937 is L/47.8 and known to be bought by Bulgaria. Does anybody know the meaning of "CA", "S1" (probably S indicates lot) and "u.c."?

2 - Another Czech made Bulgarian 3,7 cm Skoda M1937. Any clarification about the meaning of the Cyrillic marks is appreciated. Notice the German made primer.

3 - Czech made under German occupation, a 3,7 cm Skoda M1938. It should be for the 3,7 cm M1938 A7 tank gun I assume. The primer has an "S" which is uncommon and possibly comparable to the "S" on the shown Bulgarian 3,7 cm M1937 (#1). I do not know the meaning of "T.K." nor does the logo above 1941 ring a bell. Also not sure for which country this is.....

Thanks in advance, and even if nothing get's ID-ed, these head stamps are too cool not to share .

 

[AKON_]

ad1) the cartridge goes into the 37mm insert barrel for Croatia, used in the navy.
Here is a preview of the ballistic tables.
Where is the designation ,,u.c.,,,
Vo-700m/s
M - 825g,,
Typ : Tempirna dimna granata,,
Here is a preview of the ballistic tables. Where is the designation ,,u.c.,,,

Továrna na nábojky a kovové zboží, akc. spol. Rokycany Patronen-Hülsen- und Metallwarenfabrik A. G. Rokitzan Rokycanská zbrojovka Kapslovna, Kovohutě Rokycany, akcie

37mm skoda shell

Hello, looking for info about this 3.7cm skoda shell My guess goes to a czek made for export, may be 4cm Z1, ex Austro Hungarian 3.7cm L/70 navy gun used by Jugo as 37/67. something similar here...

www.bocn.co.uk

 

[fert]

Hello,

browsing web looking for info, I came across a good topic:

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=159902

it seems a bulgarian member refers to 3.7cm vz 37 as "37,2mm vz 37" Skoda A4. These delivered in 1939-41.
n2 case could have been produced too early for a bulgarian stock?
about bulgarian marking, why fuze are marked 37,2 and case are not?
Could n2 case have been made for Jugo?

regards

 

[Hoeksel]

So for shell case 1 Akon showed us it is Croatian (part of Yugoslavia). D is for the barrel length (also on Bulgaria WW2 cases) and u.c. is for Umetnuta Cijev (insert barrel) from earlier thread explained by AKON. I assume S is for "Serija" (Latin as used in Croatia) and C (on the other case) is for "Серија" (Cyrillic as used in Serbia and Yugoslavia) both meaning lot (guess but makes sense). Only CA needs to be clarified, I have no idea. Looks like a factory mark to me.

Case 2 has Cyrillic writing and can be Yugo or Bulgarian. Personally I now agree with Fert, as "C" is used as lot indicator on Yugoslav ordnance and not on Bulgarian ordnance (I double checked my list of my old collection). I would love to know the meaning of "T" and "BK".

Case 3 has an "S" on the primer which points again to Yugoslav. Interested to know the meaning of "T.K." and also why this is so different from case 2 assuming both are indeed Yugoslav. My old collection had 2 4,7 cm Skoda M38 Yugoslav cases, both where marked "NKT 47 mm M38" so these additional letters are indeed common.

 

[AKON_]

My old collection had 2 4,7 cm Skoda M38 Yugoslav cases, both where marked "NKT 47 mm M38" so these additional letters are indeed common.

PK .Protiv kolski top - 4,7cm (Jugo) document date 1939.

 

[fert]

some time ago, a lot of 3,7cm vz34 round popped up in Slovenia. All of these are Bulgarian export, with fuze marked 37,2 and other cyrillic letter.
there are a mix of steel cases. One of these has an interesting marking, not german standard. I can read 37MM.


a couple have same primer with cyrillic mark. Also shells have cyrillic marking, and was made by pal 1944

 

[fert]

last pic

 

[AKON_]

Fragment dokumentu o převzetí
Year 1941 ... (Fe) cartridge > 3,7cm for Romania and Bulgaria , production Zbrojovka Brno plant Považská Bystrica.

Akon

 

[Hoeksel]

ad1) the cartridge goes into the 37mm insert barrel for Croatia, used in the navy.
Here is a preview of the ballistic tables.
Where is the designation ,,u.c.,,,
Vo-700m/s
M - 825g,,
Typ : Tempirna dimna granata,,
Here is a preview of the ballistic tables. Where is the designation ,,u.c.,,,



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Továrna na nábojky a kovové zboží, akc. spol. Rokycany Patronen-Hülsen- und Metallwarenfabrik A. G. Rokitzan Rokycanská zbrojovka Kapslovna, Kovohutě Rokycany, akcie

37mm skoda shell

Hello, looking for info about this 3.7cm skoda shell My guess goes to a czek made for export, may be 4cm Z1, ex Austro Hungarian 3.7cm L/70 navy gun used by Jugo as 37/67. something similar here...

www.bocn.co.uk

Why do you state Croatia? You know the countries history better than me, for sure, but in 1932 there was no official Croatia, right? And the crown above the navy anchor is Yugoslav royal crown, right? And I also understood navy was centrally controlled from Belgrade. So would the case then not be "simply" Yugoslav?

 

[AKON_]

Hi Hoeksel

Yes, you are right, it is the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
I tend to associate (...the coastal state with the navy) even though the relevant ministry was in Belgrade.

In a purely formal way, it went something like this:
After the collapse of Austria-Hungary on October 29, 1918, the National Council proclaimed the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs with its seat in Zagreb. On November 26, 1918, the state of S.H.S. merged with Serbia. On December 1, 1918, the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes was proclaimed with Belgrade as its capital.The first ruler of the Kingdom of S.H.S. was the Serbian King Peter I. Karadjordjević.In the summer of 1928, two Croatian deputies were shot dead right in the parliament. King Alexander I took advantage of the resulting confusion to seize power and establish a dictatorship in January 1929. The king's goals were fulfilled ...in 1929 the name of the country was changed to the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.Then another important event occurred and that was the assassination of Alexander I. .. The new king was the minor Peter II. Karadjordjević (1923–70) who was only 11 years old in 1934.
Akon