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US Shinkle: WOW!!!

Hello, I am not an expert but I thought the WW1 Mk2 had a short spoon and cut back fuse. Not the long spoon one without a cut back body as seen on this grenade.
As for the Shinkle I gave it a good try but any more money than that and I would be eating cat food for a while. Oh well................... Pat

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that was a bargain! may have been that it was missing its internals.
one that sold on ebay a few years back went for well over $2,000:tinysmile_cry_t3:
 
wichitaslumlord said:
Hello, I am not an expert but I thought the WW1 Mk2 had a short spoon and cut back fuse. Not the long spoon one without a cut back body as seen on this grenade.
As for the Shinkle I gave it a good try but any more money than that and I would be eating cat food for a while. Oh well................... Pat

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You are correct Pat. The "MK2" is a Mk1 body, with WWII, Mk2 fuse.
 
wichitaslumlord said:
Hello, I am not an expert but I thought the WW1 Mk2 had a short spoon and cut back fuse. Not the long spoon one without a cut back body as seen on this grenade.
As for the Shinkle I gave it a good try but any more money than that and I would be eating cat food for a while. Oh well................... Pat

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I saw your bidding and man, sometimes it's just not worth having to live on cup-o-noodles for 3 months!
 
I still can't figure out why the Mk1 Body with incorrect fuze ($556.00) sold for more then the Mk1 with correct fuze ($306.00)?
 
paul the grenade said:
that was a bargain! may have been that it was missing its internals.
one that sold on ebay a few years back went for well over $2,000:tinysmile_cry_t3:
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I agree, as Shinkles are hardly ever offered for sale and are examples missing from almost all US Grenade Collections.
 
At least I am not the only one to be puzzled by the difference in selling price between the Mk1 with the correct fuze and the one with the WW2 fuze. I thought there was something about this grenade I was missing. Pat
 
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inertordnance said:
I still can't figure out why the Mk1 Body with incorrect fuze ($556.00) sold for more then the Mk1 with correct fuze ($306.00)?
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I figure, auction hysteria. Since the seller had the "Holy Trinity" of US WWI grenades, the Mk2 must be good. The Mk1 was, (although missing the top cap) and so was the Shinkle. I must admit, I didn't notice the Mk2 was wrong, till after the smoke cleared. When I clicked onto the auctions, the first two had already sold, and the Shinkle, was WAY over my head. I wouldn't have paid that much for the Mk2 anyway. Too many other irons, in too many fires.
 
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Being from "The Old Store" sometimes I have a hard time coming to terms with prices of some of the rarer ordnance. On the other hand I realize that 1500.00 won't even get you a car that runs nowadays so I DO get it. The Shinkle unfortunately is a piece that I will never have and I am okay with that. Hell, looking at the picture is good. I think the best thing about the ordnance hobby is that there is something for everyone. You can put together a nice collection on a shoestring budget as there is still some damn nice stuff out there for low bucks. I concentrate on German WW1 grenades and fuzes and can still get tickled s__tless when I find a 60.00-80.00 m1917 egg that is a bit different from one I have. 40mm grenades are a pretty good low-buck catagory. What's my point? Aw nothing......Dano
 
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You have a very valid point Dano. Remember when you thought a hundred dollors was a lot of money? Now, a thousand ain't $#!+. Most of my grenades were purchased off ebay, back in the good ole days. Had I known, they would pull the plug, I would have bought a whole lot more, and not sold some that I did. "Aw, I'll get a better one later" Remember all those little $25-40.00 Serbians? But now, I find myself paying bigger and bigger bucks. But, I'm buying better and better quality. My collection is my retirement. So, I figure I need something marketable to fall back on.
 
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You have a very valid point Dano. Remember when you thought a hundred dollors was a lot of money? Now, a thousand ain't $#!+. Most of my grenades were purchased off ebay, back in the good ole days. Had I known, they would pull the plug, I would have bought a whole lot more, and not sold some that I did. "Aw, I'll get a better one later" Remember all those little $25-40.00 Serbians? But now, I find myself paying bigger and bigger bucks. But, I'm buying better and better quality. My collection is my retirement. So, I figure I need something marketable to fall back on.
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Yeah buddy, and those good old ebay days were not all that long ago, i'm talking this century now. Eggs for 25.00. I got a relic m1912 Russian lantern grenade for 20.00 and 50.00 would buy a sweet grenade. Things change I guess. I see prices these same grenades fetch on gunbroker and could just flip out. Dano
 
I knew I had some items of value in the collection and I like what I have, but I have to admit, if someone offered me $1500-$2000 for my Shinkle I would have to think long and hard about what to do with it. Over the years I have found that what something is actually worth and what someone is willing to pay for it are two different things in this business though. Only problem is that the $1500-$2000 price set by these two guys has made every owner of a Shinkle think they can get that much if they sell or trade. Maybe so if the right guy is in the market at the right time. One thing I have always found missing in the ordnance collecting field is a "value" guide for items. I know it would be difficult to build because of condition differences and location differences. I have some ordnance items I have no earthly idea what their "market value" is, but again it is more what they are worth to an interested party. I have also found though that for the most part the ordnance collectors I have met and dealt with have been fair and honest people who want to build their collection through fair and equitable trading.
 
The problem I find with placing value, is exposure. There is none. Not in my small market area. In 30+ years of attending Louisiana gunshows, I have seen one real grenade. A US Mk1, with a live fuse. But, at the time, $75.00, was a lot of money. That was over twenty years ago. Not till I joined ebay, in 2000, did I see any grenades. And, boy did I see 'em. That's when I started collecting them. As previously stated, I wish I'd have known the well would dry up. For the last two years, I try to have a decent sellection for sale at shows. But, I have to price, according to what I paid, Not what they are worth. I have a loyal following now, but they are just a few. Most people, just point and laugh. "Hu hu, lookit that ole hangernade". Except for the Petard I carry around. "Is that some kinda zip-gun?" Also, prices are vastly different, on both sides of the pond. You guys in the Old World, have them literally popping up out of the ground.
 
I think coming to terms with not being able to have one of everything is part of the maturing process in the hobby. You always have to work within your means and don't neglect bills to get something. There is a lot of stuff to collect in all ranges and nice collections can be built for little money...Dano
 
dano1917 said:
I think coming to terms with not being able to have one of everything is part of the maturing process in the hobby. You always have to work within your means and don't neglect bills to get something. There is a lot of stuff to collect in all ranges and nice collections can be built for little money...Dano
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I'd agree with that Dano. I recently went around Beltring and you could spend anything from 1 to many hundreds of pounds on a shell case but there was a lot of inert ordnance there for 1 to 50 - enough variation to build a cracking collection. Its only when one goes for the more sought after rounds that they cost the big money. Compare the price of HESH rounds that few people want to APFSDS for example, the APFSDS are at least 3 times more expensive in the same calibre.
Dave.
 
As one of the two guilty parties in the bidding I must fully agree with EODGUY. As you say, the value is whatever two people are willing to pay at a specific time.
If I had not placed a bid the Shinkle it would have sold for $940.00 (unless another bidder jumped in seeing it was that "low").
We know one has sold for over$2000.00 in the past when the economy was good so what is a fair value today?
Two years ago I watched a U.S. proximity fuze sell for $325.00 on ebay. The seller immediately listed another and it sold for $65.00. They were identical items. Pat
 
GTR003121 said:
I saw your bidding and man, sometimes it's just not worth having to live on cup-o-noodles for 3 months!
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You no thats really funny,last December and January I had a correct mk2,it was the mk1 body and the cut back fuse and short spoon,it was not perfect but a 8 plus at least,anyway I didn,t even get a bid on it.I have another one but I don,t even put it on,maybe I should put a WW2 fuse on it
Ha Pat give me a call I found a real U.S. hawkens mine grenade.The U.S. calls it a M7.Latter pal.
Vinny :tinysmile_tongue_t:
 
Paul,
I looked at the website you posted. Did you notice the "bargain" in the new items portion? A projectile base and cup from an exploded round that was originally priced at $ 67.50. Evidently it didn't sell, but they must see something I don't because they REDUCED the price to $300.00. Not bad if you can find someone who can't count. Typos are funny at times! Bob
 
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