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Vietcong stick ??
- Thread starter dano1917
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Hi Dano,
Yes, it's a real one. This is the long handle version used in Vietnam. These have also been identified as Chinese made. The one I have shown below was brought back from the Korean war. If you don't mind the 4 holes drilled in it, it would be a nice one. One hole would have been enough.
Yes, it's a real one. This is the long handle version used in Vietnam. These have also been identified as Chinese made. The one I have shown below was brought back from the Korean war. If you don't mind the 4 holes drilled in it, it would be a nice one. One hole would have been enough.
dano1917
RIP
Thanks moondoggy, the holes don't bother me, what does is that I am a tad "spent out" right now. I assume the holes are for demill which I guess one would have sufficed. I love that grenade, would probably trade the proverbial farm to get it but it is for sale not trade. I guess with a little patience another will surface. Thanks again. I'm learning here......dano
V40
Well-Known Member
Dan,
Yes it is a Grenade from China sent to the North Vietnamese via Trucks running down the "Ho Chi Mihn trail" and fro Haiphong.
Yours is missing the cap of wood from the bottom to give them sometimes, and I mean sometimes, to keep it waterproof. Does that one from somebody else's collection?
This particuar grenade could of been filled with the following charges: TNT, Mixtures of TNT, or Picric acid, or Nitroglcycerine with Potassium nitrate or sawdust and Schneiderite. The little nails coming out are resonable because the age of this one is probably back during the late 60'0 to the late 70's.
If you were to cut it open you might find that the inner side of the actual head should be covered with Shelac(SP?). Shallaced (?) is for a certain type of charge that needs ------ ----.
If this grenade were the real deal, which it is not, here are the specs on it:
Weight: 500 g
Length: 228mm
Diameter: 50mm
Weight of filling: if it were produced with Picric Acid it would be around 99 g.
Fuzes: are usually made in the Soveit Union and they were ok for detonating the Grenades Then came the Chinese, they were giving out bad stuff to PAVN/VC. Which I could care the least.
Effective fragmentation radius is : 10m
Dano, your would be classified as the: Chinese serrerated, fragmenting, defensive stick grenade. That is all unless the Chinese called it "Type 56 grenade".
Most of time they were better suited for Boobytraps say for instace havening anything that swings, including are aerial bombs that were duds of any kind of weapon used by us.
When people were near the dentonating stick grenade it would be the same situation of using Iron as the grenade head. He will either be killed or wounded depending on how the iron goes.
By the way,
Nice picture,
Mark
V40
Yes it is a Grenade from China sent to the North Vietnamese via Trucks running down the "Ho Chi Mihn trail" and fro Haiphong.
Yours is missing the cap of wood from the bottom to give them sometimes, and I mean sometimes, to keep it waterproof. Does that one from somebody else's collection?
This particuar grenade could of been filled with the following charges: TNT, Mixtures of TNT, or Picric acid, or Nitroglcycerine with Potassium nitrate or sawdust and Schneiderite. The little nails coming out are resonable because the age of this one is probably back during the late 60'0 to the late 70's.
If you were to cut it open you might find that the inner side of the actual head should be covered with Shelac(SP?). Shallaced (?) is for a certain type of charge that needs ------ ----.
If this grenade were the real deal, which it is not, here are the specs on it:
Weight: 500 g
Length: 228mm
Diameter: 50mm
Weight of filling: if it were produced with Picric Acid it would be around 99 g.
Fuzes: are usually made in the Soveit Union and they were ok for detonating the Grenades Then came the Chinese, they were giving out bad stuff to PAVN/VC. Which I could care the least.
Effective fragmentation radius is : 10m
Dano, your would be classified as the: Chinese serrerated, fragmenting, defensive stick grenade. That is all unless the Chinese called it "Type 56 grenade".
Most of time they were better suited for Boobytraps say for instace havening anything that swings, including are aerial bombs that were duds of any kind of weapon used by us.
When people were near the dentonating stick grenade it would be the same situation of using Iron as the grenade head. He will either be killed or wounded depending on how the iron goes.
By the way,
Nice picture,
Mark
V40
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dano1917
RIP
Well Vinny I am getting it. The price was high but I freakin' wanted it. If I thought it was way too high I simply would have stopped bidding. Hobbies aint cheap. Next time I am at Alamo i will pick up a U.S. helmet shell for a picture mix. I even somewhat splained it to my wife who replied, whatever makes you happy. We will have to talk more about that plug as I have no idea what you are talking about. To pay for it I have some dark sunglasses and will sell pencils on the street corner!!! Actually i'll be listing (some already there) some WW1 spares on GunBroker for what i'll call cheap (ordnance1957 is GB ID). Also Vinny I was serious as all get up about a trade (I have a few aces I could off) Lets deal. also next time I am in KC area would like to visit museum and your house if that is okay with you. Only about 240 miles away and that aint far. I actually have a MAJOR WW1 collector who lives less than 20 miles away but we have never met (not from lack of effort on my part) but I guess that's life. Masybe he is worried to show wares to stranger (understandable). He may even be a member (if so no offense meant) but in out past contacts I mentioned Q'ing and ordnance but no avail. What's up with that. When it comes to collectors i've always had an "open door" policy for conversation and even provide overnight hospilatity if needed. to me that is just a no brainer. Strange world I guess. Just to converse with someone knowledgable is tantalizing to me............... Dano
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Hi Dano,
That's a very nice grenade. It will be an investment. You will always be able to get your money out of these rare ones. That is only the 2nd long handled fragmentation version that I have ever seen for sale. Below is a link to where you can get a repo end cap. You could make one yourself for a lot less money. The picture will give you an idea of the dimensions. These all varied somewhat. Me, I would display it as is. It looks great that way too. Now you need to get a carrier.
http://www.hayesotoupalik.com/Other Foreign Militaria.htm
If you have never seen the book below, you should try and take a look sometime. The section on grenades is a must see. The vietcong were even making copies of Japanese and WWI French grenades.
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Weapons-Field-Gear-North-Vietnamese/dp/0764305832/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1287805265&sr=1-1"]Amazon.com: Weapons and Field Gear of the North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong: (9780764305832): Edward J. Emering: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AN5S7SAGL.@@AMEPARAM@@51AN5S7SAGL[/ame]
That's a very nice grenade. It will be an investment. You will always be able to get your money out of these rare ones. That is only the 2nd long handled fragmentation version that I have ever seen for sale. Below is a link to where you can get a repo end cap. You could make one yourself for a lot less money. The picture will give you an idea of the dimensions. These all varied somewhat. Me, I would display it as is. It looks great that way too. Now you need to get a carrier.
http://www.hayesotoupalik.com/Other Foreign Militaria.htm
If you have never seen the book below, you should try and take a look sometime. The section on grenades is a must see. The vietcong were even making copies of Japanese and WWI French grenades.
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Weapons-Field-Gear-North-Vietnamese/dp/0764305832/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1287805265&sr=1-1"]Amazon.com: Weapons and Field Gear of the North Vietnamese Army and Viet Cong: (9780764305832): Edward J. Emering: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AN5S7SAGL.@@AMEPARAM@@51AN5S7SAGL[/ame]
dano1917
RIP
Thanks Moondoggy, and yessiree I will leave it as is. One of the attractions to me is the carving of names on the handle. Kind of lends to a personal touch. I just had to have this one. I have seen the repro Vietcong stick at a Army/Navy surplus store in Belleville IL. It has been a few years and can't remember what they looked like. Original the only way to go even if a tad "cacked" I know there are better examples out there, but i was totally drawn to this one from the get-go. My collecting seems to to changing but I will never abandon WW1 German as first and foremost. Vietnam has always somewhat intrigued me i guess because if I were a year older I may well have been there. My wifes ex-husband (who incidently I get along great with) was there and has some riveting stories. My big brother, Chip was 126 in the draft lottery and they took up to 125 that year! CLOSE. I sure appreciate the input you guys give me and I have been accused of meaningless posts, overposting and such, but I am just after a little learning.. thats all..thanks again......Dano
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Hi Dano,
Your example is very nice indeed. It is not "cacked" at all. These were sand cast in crude jungle workshops. You can still see the wax that was used for waterprofing and it has almost all of it's original black paint. I would say that it is an excellent example. Mine looks identical to yours but is missing the tacks that hold the handle on. I'm glad that you are going to display it as is. I totally agree with you. WWI grenades are still my favorite to collect, but Vietnam and WWII are at the top of the list also.
Your example is very nice indeed. It is not "cacked" at all. These were sand cast in crude jungle workshops. You can still see the wax that was used for waterprofing and it has almost all of it's original black paint. I would say that it is an excellent example. Mine looks identical to yours but is missing the tacks that hold the handle on. I'm glad that you are going to display it as is. I totally agree with you. WWI grenades are still my favorite to collect, but Vietnam and WWII are at the top of the list also.
dano1917
RIP
Totally appreciate that moondoggy, yeah I do so like this stick. not trying to collect the whole war, just some examples of it. Our collecting interests seem to collide which is cool. A few more pieces and that'll probably do me okay. As mentioned earlier WW1 German is still my main ara of interest and will always be. a little diversication never hurt anyone. One piece i'd really like to attain would be an equal to a petard (grenade made from ration tin or beer/soda can). Those field expedients really float the boat. Again, thanks for the kind words and good collecting...............Dano
Hi Dano,
Your grenade is 100% real. Whether it was made by the Vietcong in a jungle workshop or made by the Chinese and shipped to the NVA was the question from what I read earlier in this thread. Yours was used in Vietnam and was a veteran souvenir. It does not get any more real than that. You have one SUPERB grenade. I wish I could show you some of the pictures in the book I mentioned earlier without violating the copyright rules. Great stuff!!!
Mike
Your grenade is 100% real. Whether it was made by the Vietcong in a jungle workshop or made by the Chinese and shipped to the NVA was the question from what I read earlier in this thread. Yours was used in Vietnam and was a veteran souvenir. It does not get any more real than that. You have one SUPERB grenade. I wish I could show you some of the pictures in the book I mentioned earlier without violating the copyright rules. Great stuff!!!
Mike
dano1917
RIP
Thanks Mike, Certainly takes a load off. I will have to get a copy of that book. I am sorta going into the Vietnam era collecting un armed so to speak as it is an area I had never zeroed in on before. I am learning and hope to continue. That stick wasn't cheap yet not too bad for todays prices. I got outbid a couple of times then with 2 hours left in auction I put in the top dollar that I could live with and shut the computer off. Two hours later I turned it back on and was somewhat surprised it was mine. When I do get around to converting room to trench I think I will do half of room in Vietnam theme maybe like a tunnel or something along that line. thanks again Mike as I just did not know what to think. I should have listened to you in the first place. Best regards....Dano
Jolly Green
Well-Known Member
Thanks for that link Moondoggy.
I've passed on some without the plugs.
I've passed on some without the plugs.
dano1917
RIP
Mike, that Hayes Otopaulik has some wild stuff for sale on his site to say the least, I can see myself spending some time there.....Dano
J
John D. Bartleson Jr.
Guest
How about that, inerted by the Explosive Ordnance Disposal Facility, Indian head, MD.did you work there?
John
John
