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I have a cartridge case that was left in the garage of the first house I bought, in 1970. It's moved with me to 3 other houses and now I've unearthed it from the clutter in the shed I thought I'd try to ID it. Several people have suggested that it's a 105 mm round from a Centurion, but I'm sure that's wrong, as it's too long and also a little too small. Diameter at the neck is about 101.6 mm.
Thanks for any help.
Pete
 

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4" Naval. Manufactured by ECC - Edward Curran, Cardiff. Worked on by TRE - Royal Naval Armaments Depot (RNAD) Trecwn (TRE)

TimG
 
Thanks Tim. Is there anything to show when or where it was demilitarised?
A search for Edward Curran found the following from Wales Online: "In 1914, Curran's developed the expertise to start producing military armaments. During the Second World War, Curran's became a munitions factory once again and was the only British company with the manufacturing capacity to do so." I knew them as Curran Steels when I worked near them in Cardiff.
RNAD Trecwn is fairly close to the part of Pembrokeshire my maternal grandparents came from. The house where I acquired the case was in Llanbradach, about 15 miles north of Cardiff, so perhaps it never moved very far! Unless the other markings state otherwise...
Pete
 
A reply from the Royal Armouries museum includes "The casing is for the naval 4in Mk VI and XXI gun. If it is ECC under the tape measure, it could be Elswick Cartridge Company with Lot number 120. Date looks to be 1957 and possibly refilled November 1963."

Pete
 
As TimG has said, ECC is the monogram of the case manufacturer Edward Curran, Cardiff.

No such entity as Elswick Cartridge Company. The museum appears to be conflating the manufacture of cartridge cases and the pre-WWII monogram - EOC - of Armstrong Whitworth, Elswick Works.
 
Thanks Snufkin. I could believe that the stamping on my cartridge is EOC with the RH side of the O worn away, but it seems that Elswick Ornance stopped using EOC in 1937, a couple of decades before my cartridge was made. Goes to show, you can't always believe museums!
Pete
 
Email today from Royal Armouries admitting their error!
Thanks for the correct information. Does this case have any value to a collector?
Pete
 
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