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wrong info on Yugoslav grenades

al'saad

al'saad

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Reading Inert-ord.net I have found several wrong pieces of informations regarding Yugoslav grenades. I emailed web master providing full info but obviously site is abandoned or something. so I am providing those info here.

modern handgrenades:

http://www.inert-ord.net/yugos/yugmod/index.html

Grenade M75 was produced in pre war period in ordnance factory near town Bugojno in Bosnia and Herzegovina. That grenade was in use by the Yugoslav peoples army. During the war 1992-1995 that factory was under control of Bosnian forces (fighting against Yugoslav and Serbian forces). During that period in that factory ordnance was produced for Bosnian forces, and among which was M93 grenade. M93 was never used by Yugoslav army.

modern rifle grenades:

http://www.inert-ord.net/yugos/yughr/index.html

RB-100 was produced in Croatia during 92-95 war. M93 HEAT was not standard HEAT grenade in Yugoslav army stock. It was M60:

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M93 has same history as m93 hand grenade. But it was asembled from KB1 bomblet used in Yugoslav cluster munitions, and rifle grenade tail section.
 
Here a pic of of the rifle grenade M-93 made from a KB-1 bomblet and the M94 made from the kb-2 bomblet. Note the cone of the kb-2 which was filled with plastic explosive making it a HE grenade. Also a warning if you have this one in your collection that it stil could be filled with explosives, in Bosnia i found 5 of these were te cone was filled !.
 

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there were several types of rifle grenades produced for bosnian forces during war 92-95. two of most interesting models are rifle grenade with delay time fuse and heavy grenade assembled from 60mm mortar shell body and rifle grenade tail section.
 
Here some some of types of rifle grenades. In the first pic bottem row third from the right is the one for the time fuse.
Al taken care of by eod.
 

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I live in Croatia,and I know that Croatia has produced our domestic variant of hand grenade M-75.It was labeled as M-93,but that version was with standard fuse with spoon and safety pin,just like in yugoslavian M-75.I dont't know anything about the origin od M-93 with plastic impact fuse with it's top made od white plastic.Is it croatian or bosnian?

Also there were croatian M-75 copies called M-91,CT-91 and M-92.

M-91 is simply yugoslavian M-75 that croatian military industry copied and they even made a matrix for M-91 by using the body of yugoslavian grenade M-75,and over the yugoslavian cyrillic markings BR,M-75 and SRB were thrusted in new markings RB-M-91 and V3-9100.RB in croatian means rucna bomba(hand grenade).
Other type od M-91 grenade was very bad copy by it's shape of yugoslavian M-75 and it was made od matt black plastic,steel balls were in red plastic filler inside the grenade.That type had markings BR,M-91.BR in croatian means "bomba rucna" or grenade hand in english.
They were produced in Djuro Djakovic firm in Djakovo,Croatia.It is interesting that this type had a symbol of that firm on the fuse,and that the spoon was gun metal(the same system of protection as used with weapons).The spoon had markings on it's top RB-M93,so i suppose that that fuses were used with the first M-93 grenades.

CT-91 and M-92 were produced in "Cetinka" firm,in Sinj,Croatia.But the matrix for "Cetinka" grenade was made in "Brodogradjevna industrija Split" or shipyard in Split,Croatia.So at the beginning of production in "Brodogradjevna industrija Split",the engineers simply made a matrix for making bodies of that grenade by using a yugoslavian M-75 grenade.On that grenades there was no black serial number on the top of the spoon and the yellov serial number at the body of the grenade(like in original M-75).

On the first variant markings SRB were removed and at the position for the markings of producer there were deformed letters(remains of SRB markings).On that variant of croatian M-75 copy,cyrillic markings BR,M-75 stayed untouched.
On the second variant of croatian M-75 copy all yugoslavian marking were removed(BR,M-75 and SRB).

After,the matrix was sent to Cetinka in Sinj and they made markings CT-91 and after M-92 on that grenade.

I have some pics of that grenades that are in my collection so I will put them here tomorrow.They are completly inert and filled with epoxy resin.

I have one question for you-it's about one model of grenade which was produced in Balkans during the Yugoslav civil war.On the lex's site,he marked it as M-85 but it doesn't have any sense because that would mean that it was produced in 1985,and that is not correct.It was produced during the Yugoslav civil war 1991-1995.
You can see that grenade here on lex's site:
http://www.lexpev.nl/grenades/sovietbalkan/yugoslavia/m85.html

In Croatia that grenade is often called BIM because it doesn't have any markings except BIM at the bottom.I know that some of guard brigades of croatian army were equipped with that grenade during war and I heard that soldiers didn't like them because they were filled with some kind of unstable aceton-based plastic explosive.
I have inert version(i filled it with epoxy resin) with yellov fuze(the first version with the recasted yugoslavian drill M-75 fuse) and version with black fuze.
So do any of you have any info about where this BIM grenade was made(Croatia,Bosnia,Republic of Srpska in Bosnia...) and which firm was making them?Also what means BIM?
 
bim grenade was originaly developed in slavko rodic bugojno ordnance factory in bosnia and herzegovina for yugoslav peoples army. during the war those grenades were produced upon matrix from bugojno in several ordnance manufactures.
 
al'saad said:
bim grenade was originaly developed in slavko rodic bugojno ordnance factory in bosnia and herzegovina for yugoslav peoples army. during the war those grenades were produced upon matrix from bugojno in several ordnance manufactures.
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Thanks al'saad.
Does it mean that yugoslav people's army ever had BIM grenade as a part of their grenade arsenal or it was just in prototype fase?If the answer is that yugoslav people's army addopted BIM grenade as one of their official variants of hand grenades,what was official name for that grenade used by yugoslav people's army?M-???

Also did Slavko Rodic or any other ordnance manufacturer of BIM grenade make small green plastic containers for that BIM grenade as they did for M-75 and M-50P3 and M-52P3(each grenade has it's own green plastic container in the wooden box)?If yes,can you send me a photo of that plastic container?

How can I visualy indentify which BIM grenade is produced originally in Slavko Rodic and which in some of the other ordnance manufacturers?Do all of them have the same markings BIM at the bottom of the grenade or those made in Slavko Rodic have some other markings?

Also that other ordnance manufactures who were making BIM grenades during the war were in Croatia,Bosnia or in Serbia?
 
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as far as i know bim grenade was about to be adopted. it can not be M-85 because final tests on this grenade were conducted in late 80's. i am not sure in which all factories those grenades were produced during war besides bugojno, but they were part of equipment of serb forces, bosnian army and croatian army and defense council. but i recently found an info on production in krusik factory in valjevo, serbia.
 
I called now one of my friends who was serving in 1. guards brigade of Croaian army who gave me one of my three BIM grenades after he made it empty and completly inert.
He told me that his brigade got a large quantity of BIM grenades in 1993,and that they were said that BIM grenades were domestic made(croatian).Also he told me that they received them in wooden unpainted boxes,without any markings and that croatian soldiers were avoiding BIM grenades because there had been a large quantity of accidents among croatian soldiers who had been using them on the battlefield.He told me that accidents were consenquence of the fact that BIM grenades had been filled with very unstable localy made plastic explosive.

I thought that this will solve the enigma of the origin of BIM grenade on the Balkans,but now when I've red your post al'saad that you've found a source who claimed that they had been produced by serbian ordnance manufacturer Krusik in Valjevo,now I am confused completly:sad:
 
info on production in krusik valjevo is suspicious to me too, but bim grenade is definitely developed in bugojno.
 
al'saad said:
info on production in krusik valjevo is suspicious to me too, but bim grenade is definitely developed in bugojno.
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I noticed some differencies in the fuse,but that I will post in friday when I'll be at home.
Have you ever seen a plastic container for a single BIM grenade??
I mean a green plastic container like M-75,M-50P3 and M-52P3 have.

And have you ever seen any other marking except BIM letters on that grenade?
 
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