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M62/M30 Grenade, Hand, Practice
- Thread starter Fragman
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If Jane's stated "The M67 is the M30 with a safety clip", the reference is in error (most likely a typo as is often the case with them and should have stated M62 / M30 or M67 / M33 depending on the Grenade Model Type). Attached is a photo of a US M67 and US M30, seems like a minor point(s), however with 675+ worldwide hits on this thread to date just wanted to keep things straight from a reference / collectors standpoint.
Stay safe,
Frank
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GTR003121
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The way it is
There seems to be a lot of confusion and misinformation around regarding what Lemons come with what. Maybe we should put together a definitive list of the basic types. Off the top of my head, this is it.
"Lemons"
M26: Crimped sheet steel body over a frag coil with notches facing opposite explosive. Used M204A1 and M204A2 detonating fuzes.
M26A1: Same as M26, but with frag coil notches facing explosive and tetryl boosters nested around det well. Used M204A2 detonating fuze.
M26A2: Same as M26A1, but with larger fuze well to accommodate M217 Impact Fuze or M215 detonating fuze.
M30: Cast iron practice Lemon. Used M205A1 and M205A2 igniting fuzes.
M50: Cast iron practice Lemon converted for live fire training by sealing base, filling with Comp B(Im not positive it was Comp B) and adding M204A1 or M204A2 detonating fuze.
M52: Same as M30 and M62, but with larger fuze well to accommodate practice M217 impact fuze.
M56: Same as M26A2 and M57, but without M217 impact fuze. Used the M215 detonating fuze with safety clip.
M57: Same as M26A2, but with the addition of a safety clip.
M61: Same as M26A1, but with addition of a safety clip.
M62: Same as M30, but with addition of a safety clip.
M66: Same as M52, but with addition of a safety clip.
There seems to be a lot of confusion and misinformation around regarding what Lemons come with what. Maybe we should put together a definitive list of the basic types. Off the top of my head, this is it.
"Lemons"
M26: Crimped sheet steel body over a frag coil with notches facing opposite explosive. Used M204A1 and M204A2 detonating fuzes.
M26A1: Same as M26, but with frag coil notches facing explosive and tetryl boosters nested around det well. Used M204A2 detonating fuze.
M26A2: Same as M26A1, but with larger fuze well to accommodate M217 Impact Fuze or M215 detonating fuze.
M30: Cast iron practice Lemon. Used M205A1 and M205A2 igniting fuzes.
M50: Cast iron practice Lemon converted for live fire training by sealing base, filling with Comp B(Im not positive it was Comp B) and adding M204A1 or M204A2 detonating fuze.
M52: Same as M30 and M62, but with larger fuze well to accommodate practice M217 impact fuze.
M56: Same as M26A2 and M57, but without M217 impact fuze. Used the M215 detonating fuze with safety clip.
M57: Same as M26A2, but with the addition of a safety clip.
M61: Same as M26A1, but with addition of a safety clip.
M62: Same as M30, but with addition of a safety clip.
M66: Same as M52, but with addition of a safety clip.
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GTR003121
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"Baseballs"
M33: Oblate Spheroid steel body with internal frag coining. Used M213 detonating fuze.
M33A1 AKA M59: Same as M33, but with M217 impact fuze.
M59: See M33A1
M67: Same as M33, but with addition of a safety clip.
M68: Same as M33A1/M59, but with addition of a safety clip.
M69: Practice version of M67 with XM228 or M228 igniting fuze. Early types did not use safety clips, but later they became standard.
M33: Oblate Spheroid steel body with internal frag coining. Used M213 detonating fuze.
M33A1 AKA M59: Same as M33, but with M217 impact fuze.
M59: See M33A1
M67: Same as M33, but with addition of a safety clip.
M68: Same as M33A1/M59, but with addition of a safety clip.
M69: Practice version of M67 with XM228 or M228 igniting fuze. Early types did not use safety clips, but later they became standard.
Great descriptions! Could also add to the M26A2 Description with either M215 Delay Fuze or M217 Impact Fuze.
Stay safe,
Frank
Stay safe,
Frank
GTR003121
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Thanks Frank. I wasnt aware that the US M26A2 used the M215, thought that was a feature of the Australian M26A2 only. I ammended the M26A2 description.
V40
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I thought I stated the following back in my post:
M62 becomes the M30 with a safety Clip
M69 becomes the M67 with the Safety Clip attached to the fuses (NOTE: I may not of mentioned this in my info).
Also, according to Jane's (1975), I will have to go back and see if I mentioned that Jane's states that these grenades are also "Training" for the following Frag Grenades M61, M26A1, and M26. We are still talking about the M30 now.
By the way Jane's is showing an M62 "Practice" with a Safety Clip. Which they (Jane's) made a mistake of in their drawing of an M62, which according to them it is not to have a Safety Clip at all. I am thinking that it could be a mistake also with the different fuseing of possibly each "Live" Frag grenade and some Chemical along with "Practice" grenades in this book. They are about as clear as mud.
Thanks Frank for pointing that out to me. Also, I didn't mean to say that the M61 was an M61 with a Safety Clip. Lost in translation I suppose. I have several "Other" FM & TM manuels and some "Other" books I will study over which are all dated in the 1960's. Who would of thunk about that.:biggrin:
Like I said I will go and get MY references from the military and my own Books. I will see what else we can uncover errors from Jane's.
M62 becomes the M30 with a safety Clip
M69 becomes the M67 with the Safety Clip attached to the fuses (NOTE: I may not of mentioned this in my info).
Also, according to Jane's (1975), I will have to go back and see if I mentioned that Jane's states that these grenades are also "Training" for the following Frag Grenades M61, M26A1, and M26. We are still talking about the M30 now.
By the way Jane's is showing an M62 "Practice" with a Safety Clip. Which they (Jane's) made a mistake of in their drawing of an M62, which according to them it is not to have a Safety Clip at all. I am thinking that it could be a mistake also with the different fuseing of possibly each "Live" Frag grenade and some Chemical along with "Practice" grenades in this book. They are about as clear as mud.
Thanks Frank for pointing that out to me. Also, I didn't mean to say that the M61 was an M61 with a Safety Clip. Lost in translation I suppose. I have several "Other" FM & TM manuels and some "Other" books I will study over which are all dated in the 1960's. Who would of thunk about that.:biggrin:
Like I said I will go and get MY references from the military and my own Books. I will see what else we can uncover errors from Jane's.
Yep, TM 9-1330-200 / Navord OP 3833 Dated June 24 1966, states that the M26A2 was fitted with either Fuze M215 or Fuze M217.
I had always thought that Fuze M215 was designed specifically for the M56 Grenade, however I believe the M215 Reference in the stated 1966 Dated Manual predates the M56 Designation.
Stay safe,
Frank
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GTR003121
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Ok got it, thanks for that, always good to learn something new! I too thought the M215 was specifically for the M56 only.
V40
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Also, here are the following countries that have been known to use the M26 series and M67 grenades:
Israel (M26A2)
South Korea (K400) Looks like the same as our M67. They claim that over 1,500 pieces of fragmentation are released at detonation.
South Africa Looks like our M26 without Tetryl. They use RDX/TNT as their filling. Also claims of 1,000+ fragmentation pieces.
Great Britain You guys across the pond know all about this version(?) of our M26 series.
This is the only countries I have so far. One would assume that any countries where we have Forts, Camps, and Bases would have used a variation of an M67 or an M26 series of fragmentation grenades.
Anybody else want to add to the list? Fragman, I think you may have a couple that you would know of?
Also, GTR003121, How do you know the difference between an inside coil that faces outward and one that faces in reverse.
Israel (M26A2)
South Korea (K400) Looks like the same as our M67. They claim that over 1,500 pieces of fragmentation are released at detonation.
South Africa Looks like our M26 without Tetryl. They use RDX/TNT as their filling. Also claims of 1,000+ fragmentation pieces.
Great Britain You guys across the pond know all about this version(?) of our M26 series.
This is the only countries I have so far. One would assume that any countries where we have Forts, Camps, and Bases would have used a variation of an M67 or an M26 series of fragmentation grenades.
Anybody else want to add to the list? Fragman, I think you may have a couple that you would know of?
Also, GTR003121, How do you know the difference between an inside coil that faces outward and one that faces in reverse.
GTR003121
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Canada uses the M67, but redesignated the C13.
On the frag coils, when the notches face outward, away from the explosive(M26), you will just see one continuous and uninterrupted coil when you look inside from the bottom. When you look up the bottom of an M26A1 or any of the other coil types that followed, you will see that the coil has defined serations, giving it an almost mesh-like appearance.
On the frag coils, when the notches face outward, away from the explosive(M26), you will just see one continuous and uninterrupted coil when you look inside from the bottom. When you look up the bottom of an M26A1 or any of the other coil types that followed, you will see that the coil has defined serations, giving it an almost mesh-like appearance.
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On the topic of US M26 Variants, here is a Factory Inert M26 Variation Manufactured by Picatinny Arsenal Circa 1952. It has an inert filler in the body to simulate explosive weight and a crimped basecap. The M204A1 Fuze is also dated 1952 and has an Inert Copper Detonator.
Stay safe,
Frank
Stay safe,
Frank
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