ID project 16

[US-Subs]

German projectiles drive me nuts. Not enough quality references, and so many variations - Most of these I know the basics, but need model numbers/designations.

 

[US-Subs]

And a few more. I think that includes about all of the Navy illumination.

 

[Zunder]

They look sort of familiar, MTM Collection?

AMS 2868: 8,8 cm Lg. Patr. L4,4.
AMS 2864: difficult to say 100%, but the shell looks like a 8,8 cm Br. Schr. Flak.
AMS 2852: 10 cm Pgzr. Flak or Pzgr. Rot.
AMS 2846: 10,5 cm Üb. Spgr. L/4,1 mit Kopfladung
AMS 2838: see AMS 2852
AMS 2834: 10,5 cm Lg. L/4 or L/4,2
AMS 2814: 8,8 cm Üb.Gr. L/2,8
Ams 2798: 7,5 cm Üb. Spgr. L/4,7 Üb. S.
AMS 1553: 5 cm Rö.Gr. 42 Ausführung A.

Best regards,

Zünder.

 

[Zunder]

AMS 2964: looks a lot like a french 155 mm Mle 1887-1894
Ams 2957: again French, I think 155 Mle 1915-B Gp. Not sure if a S/30 coould be fitted to this shell.
Ams 2949: 15 cm Spgr. L/4,5 Kz (m. Hb.)
Ams 2917: 12,7 cm Lg. L/4,5
Ams 2900: 17 cm Lg. L/3,7

You are almost there, but I’m missing a few more Illum. shells, 20,3 cm Lg L/4,5 and 7,5 cm Lg. L/4,5 for instance.

Best regards,

Zünder.

 

[US-Subs]

They look sort of familiar, MTM Collection?

This group, yes. For this project items were selected for photography and 3D scanning from 4 large collections, one of which was MTM. Unfortunately the MTM collection was never well documented, it was all in Joop's head. With his passing some items have been sold to fund the continuation of the collection and many items have been moved from their original locations in the collection, making this one of the most difficult locations to try and perform identification procedures.

 

[US-Subs]

Next group, then its on to some UK items.

 

[US-Subs]

Finishing out the group. Diameters recorded starting with 3269 are 105mm, 105mm, 105mm, 75mm, 84mm, 100mm, 130mm, 84mm. From 3030 are 125mm, 130mm, 125mm, 105mm, 105mm and 47mm on the Italian.

 

[sgdbdr]

2767, looks like a 47mm 47/32 M35. See https://www.bocn.co.uk/threads/he-shell-for-the-47-32-gun-italy-ww2.104374/#post-321330

 

[US-Subs]

Looks good, thanks.

 

[US-Subs]

Here's a handful of 6prs for identification.

 

[apfsds]

Next group, then its on to some UK items.

The first 105mm APFSDS-T projectile pictured is an, Israeli designed M426. It was adopted and possibly also made in, Germany as the DM63.


Jason

 

[Zunder]

AMS 3094: dutch Bg. No. 2 van 7 veld.
AMS 3042: french, i think it was a 13 cm Mle 1923/26. I remember discussing the stamps and paint of this one with Joop, happy memories for sure.
AMS 3038/3035: german 8,8 cm Üb.Gr. L/2,8
AMS 3019: german made 12,2 cm Spgr. For Russian M1931 gun.
AMS 2888: german 10,5 cm Spgr. Patr. 32 L/4,4
AMS 2892: german 10,5 cm Üb. Spgr. Patr. 32 L/3,6 m. Kopfl. (black ring indicates a HE load, a white ring indicates it’s inert.)
AMS 3022: 12,8 cm Spgr. L/4,5
AMS 3030: 12,8 cm Pzgr. Mit Bd.Z. 5121

Best regards,

Zünder.

 

[US-Subs]

Thanks Zünder, that's a great help. I've only got four more German, plus the two above that were not identified, 3046 and 3060. Anyone out there recognize the 6prs?
New photos are 2ea 17cm followed by 2ea 21cm.

 

[Burney Davis]

Thanks Zünder, that's a great help. I've only got four more German, plus the two above that were not identified, 3046 and 3060. Anyone out there recognize the 6prs?
New photos are 2ea 17cm followed by 2ea 21cm.

Don't know the first one but then:
6pr 7cwt APCBC/T
6pr 7cwt APDS/T
6pr 7cwt HE/T
6pr 6cwt HE/T for the AA gun

 

[US-Subs]

Thanks!

 

[LEAFLET]

Burney Davis is right about the HE projectiles, the fuzes they used where:
AMS 3570: DA No 370 Mk I
AMS 3578: DA No 244