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Projectile 1914-1918.
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JulienCD68
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Thanks Alpini.
Is this the detail that indicates the hexagonal base?
Or is it written in the description?
Thanks again.
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Hello Chris & Julien,
Yes now you both found the important detail in the drawing.
It's also mentioned in the text but not the reason for the screwed base. If not a cardboard or copper container was a reason for the screwed base it may have been the material. The shell is made from thin walled steel because it works better than a thick walled cast iron body. And monoblock steel shells with "bottle shape" were very difficult to forge. France, maybe the Schneider company may have been the first which found a way to mass produce such forged shells. Most countries used two piece steel shells with screwed heads or bases before frist world war.
Yes now you both found the important detail in the drawing.
It's also mentioned in the text but not the reason for the screwed base. If not a cardboard or copper container was a reason for the screwed base it may have been the material. The shell is made from thin walled steel because it works better than a thick walled cast iron body. And monoblock steel shells with "bottle shape" were very difficult to forge. France, maybe the Schneider company may have been the first which found a way to mass produce such forged shells. Most countries used two piece steel shells with screwed heads or bases before frist world war.
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JulienCD68
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JulienCD68
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We now need to identify a Russian 152mm mortar with 20 grooves.
What is the title of this intelligence bulletin ?
Probably for the 152mm M1885 Field Mortar or a later model year incarnation. The piece was based on a Krupp design, but manufactured in Russia from 1885 till 1902. Retired from service in 1922.
Standard HE shell weighed 30.7 kg with fuze, Melanite filled. Range is listed as 3700 m with a MV of 229 m/s.
Standard HE shell weighed 30.7 kg with fuze, Melanite filled. Range is listed as 3700 m with a MV of 229 m/s.
JulienCD68
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Thank you.
Do you have any photos of it?
The document is an "Bulletin de Renseignement de la 7ème Armée".
Source: SHD
Do you have any photos of it?
The document is an "Bulletin de Renseignement de la 7ème Armée".
Source: SHD
Hello,
here mortar Mod 1885
landships.info
and two mortar mentioned in the manual
regards
here mortar Mod 1885
Landships II
and two mortar mentioned in the manual
regards
JulienCD68
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Thanks.
All that remains is to find some period photos.
All that remains is to find some period photos.
panzergraf
Member
Love the "Jetz(t) geht's los" (here we go) on the "Deminage Colmar" patch. Happy new year to all of you.
..Mortar,,
6" field steel mortar sample 1885 г. Germany Russian project -(Krupp/Obuchovsky plant. Produced: in 1890- 48 pcs; 1894-96 pcs to 1900 - 7 pcs.
Part produced by Krupp and the greater part in Russia.
In the years 1888-1890, 20 mortar regiments were formed with a total of 20 batteries.
Sometimes the designation is used after the designer of the system Engelgardt ...i.e. long-barreled version (because there was still a short-barreled version (only 4 pieces).
Sources include
pix009.livejournal.com
yuripasholok.livejournal.com
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6" field steel mortar model 1891/1904 (total 229 pieces of all versions are listed)
6" copper mortar model 1867. Later modified by inserting an iron insert into the barrel, i.e. 1896/1906.
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The list does not include samples or prototypes ...
6" field steel mortar model 1885https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
ru.wikipedia.org
6" field steel mortar sample 1885 г. Germany Russian project -(Krupp/Obuchovsky plant. Produced: in 1890- 48 pcs; 1894-96 pcs to 1900 - 7 pcs.
Part produced by Krupp and the greater part in Russia.
In the years 1888-1890, 20 mortar regiments were formed with a total of 20 batteries.
Sometimes the designation is used after the designer of the system Engelgardt ...i.e. long-barreled version (because there was still a short-barreled version (only 4 pieces).
Sources include
Артиллерия Мотовилихи. Часть I.
Часть 1-я списка спецпродукции Мотовилихинских заводов с 1863 года по настоящее время. Список составлен исключительно на основе открытых источников. В первом разделе будут даны орудия ствольной артиллерии, систематизированные по калибрам, от малых до крупных, серийные и опытные образцы,…
pix009.livejournal.com
Русский крупный калибр с немецким исходником
Во второй половине XIX века началось стремительное развитие как стрелкового оружия, так и артиллерии. Дульнозарядные орудия стали историей, случился переход на казнозарядные системы. Вместо ядер стали использовать унитарные патроны и выстрелы раздельного заряжания. Менялась и система вооружения.…
yuripasholok.livejournal.com
6" field steel mortar model 1891/1904 (total 229 pieces of all versions are listed)
6" copper mortar model 1867. Later modified by inserting an iron insert into the barrel, i.e. 1896/1906.
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The list does not include samples or prototypes ...
6" field steel mortar model 1885https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Многоточие — Википедия
I guess no one is left with this, but I will try to direct those interested in more detailed technical and tactical information ...
i.e. where and mainly what to look for
So far, the only Russian contemporary source I have found is the third edition of this publication with more than 333 pages from 1916.
By the way, the first edition of this book was published in 1906.
The index shows how the book is designed / what it addresses.
If you have anything else, let me know
: 1916
: 1906
Source (picture) : e-comerce book /violity.ua
Akon
i.e. where and mainly what to look for
So far, the only Russian contemporary source I have found is the third edition of this publication with more than 333 pages from 1916.
By the way, the first edition of this book was published in 1906.
The index shows how the book is designed / what it addresses.
If you have anything else, let me know
: 1916
: 1906
Source (picture) : e-comerce book /violity.ua
Akon