Something Romanian

[Ivashkin]

This is was found in Odessa area. It`s something from Ronania.
Few months before simillar device shown in topik Mines, because ex-USSR "specialist" was talking "it`s unknow romanian a/p mines and only this!".
I think this is defenetly rifle grenade. Unknow romanian rifle grenade. Maybe it will be interesting and for other people.
Mass - 1200 g. As you can see - both devices used fuzes which were produced on one plant or maybe it the same fuzes.
And of course it will very fast sells, like something uknow What and happened with previos "a/p romanian mines", what was rifle or mortar grenade too

 

[Ivashkin]

Some news.
That`s it - Gewehrgranate M.16 http://ml3.ru/boepripasy/granaty/1451-granata-gewehrgranate-m16.html
Maybe with some modification, but it`s defenetly one grenade! Probably romanians used it during WWII.

 

[pat]

sorry it is not a Gewehrgranate M.16 , size and form not identical,

 

[Ivashkin]

sorry it is not a Gewehrgranate M.16 , size and form not identical,

Ok
Maybe you have another idea? It would be nice to hear.
I told it seems like M.16, but probably with some chanhing.

 

[pat]

hi
i see in my documentation, the marking M A M = Socit Minerva situe PARIS, i don't know if this socit is live

 

[orpheus72]

hi
i see in my documentation, the marking M A M = Socit Minerva situe PARIS, i don't know if this socit is live

I've got MAM in my doc's listed as MAM: Manufacture de Munitions d'Artillerie de Marseille

 

[Ivashkin]

I've got MAM in my doc's listed as MAM: Manufacture de Munitions d'Artillerie de Marseille

Pat and orpheus72 thanks you!
If it`s from France, do you know what did produce this factory?

 

[Francesco_Dif]

The romanian factory name is M.A.N. and not MAM. The designation mode 39.T suggests to me that may be of Hungarian production.

 

[Dreamk]

the first item may well be an air-dropped anti-personal grenade used by the IAR-39 ground support aircrafts of the ARR that were active in the area - look at details here:
http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threads/92931-Romanian-Bombs-WW2?highlight=Romanian

 

[doctor]

Hi
If my memory serves me well, MAM is stamped on ignition always on belgium grenades....to confirm

 

[Irod7]

As "Dreamk" said above, both objects are submunitions used by IAR-37/38/39 . MAM stands for Ministerul Aerului și Marinei - Ministry of Air(forces) and Marine.

 

[Dreamk]

The second version of this air dropped grenade, the slender one, may in fact have been originated as a local copy of the Belgian Sega air dropped grenade.
German Archives mention that between the 22-6-1941 and the 30-11-1941, Germany delivered to the Romanian air force no less than 40,200 "Sega Bomben 1.3kg".
It inded very much look like the fragmentation version of the Sega shown here: https://www.bocn.co.uk/threads/belgian-sega-bomb.102864/#post-313953
The fuse however appear to be different.