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Something Romanian

Ivashkin

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This is was found in Odessa area. It`s something from Ronania.
Few months before simillar device shown in topik Mines, because ex-USSR "specialist" was talking "it`s unknow romanian a/p mines and only this!".
I think this is defenetly rifle grenade. Unknow romanian rifle grenade. Maybe it will be interesting and for other people.
Mass - 1200 g. As you can see - both devices used fuzes which were produced on one plant or maybe it the same fuzes.
And of course it will very fast sells, like something uknow :) What and happened with previos "a/p romanian mines", what was rifle or mortar grenade too :)
 

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sorry it is not a Gewehrgranate M.16 , size and form not identical,
 
sorry it is not a Gewehrgranate M.16 , size and form not identical,
Ok :)
Maybe you have another idea? It would be nice to hear.
I told it seems like M.16, but probably with some chanhing.
 
hi
i see in my documentation, the marking M A M = Socit Minerva situe PARIS, i don't know if this socit is live
 
hi
i see in my documentation, the marking M A M = Socit Minerva situe PARIS, i don't know if this socit is live

I've got MAM in my doc's listed as MAM: Manufacture de Munitions d'Artillerie de Marseille
 
The romanian factory name is M.A.N. and not MAM. The designation mode 39.T suggests to me that may be of Hungarian production.
 
Hi
If my memory serves me well, MAM is stamped on ignition always on belgium grenades....to confirm
 
As "Dreamk" said above, both objects are submunitions used by IAR-37/38/39 . MAM stands for Ministerul Aerului și Marinei - Ministry of Air(forces) and Marine.
 
The second version of this air dropped grenade, the slender one, may in fact have been originated as a local copy of the Belgian Sega air dropped grenade.
German Archives mention that between the 22-6-1941 and the 30-11-1941, Germany delivered to the Romanian air force no less than 40,200 "Sega Bomben 1.3kg".
It inded very much look like the fragmentation version of the Sega shown here: https://www.bocn.co.uk/threads/belgian-sega-bomb.102864/#post-313953
The fuse however appear to be different.
 
The second version of this air dropped grenade, the slender one, may in fact have been originated as a local copy of the Belgian Sega air dropped grenade.
German Archives mention that between the 22-6-1941 and the 30-11-1941, Germany delivered to the Romanian air force no less than 40,200 "Sega Bomben 1.3kg".
It inded very much look like the fragmentation version of the Sega shown here: https://www.bocn.co.uk/threads/belgian-sega-bomb.102864/#post-313953
The fuse however appear to be different.
@Dreamk The connection has already been made with Belgium, the fuze being a modified version of the SEGA design from here (not sure of the actual designation). The bomb itself looks similar to the belgian design, although just in proportions. (Photo source - facebook ordnance group)

Do you mind sharing the documents you were mentioning?
 

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2 documents both from May 1942:
The first (RL_2_III_645_0031) from 1942 showing the delivery of 40,200 Sega-bomben 1.3kg in 1940-41
The second (RL_2_III_671_0484) indicating a second batch of 60,200 delivered in 1942 and mentioning the first batch of 40,200 delivered in 1941
the ..200 number lead me to suspect that the 60,200 is in fact the number delivered by 1942 and not in 1942, and includes the batch delivered in 1940 but I may be wrong - the text itself says "delivered 1942" and "delivered 1940" (a mistake for 1941)

BTW the photographs I have seen of the Romanian "Sega clone" aviation grenade, are of the fragmentated model, similar to teh model described in the original SEGA patent, and not of the incendiary model. Do you know wether such incendiary models were also produced in Romania.?

Sadly the documentation from 1940-41 concerning the delivery of French and Polish booty bomsb to Romania is not (yet) available online. I'd very much like to get the details of these deliveries.

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