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I must get some glasses. So we are around the 1 1/2 Pr area?
Thanks Glevum, sorry I made hard work of that. Anyway how about a slightly different challenge? Here are two photographs of some display cabinets with quite a few ordnance bits and pieces that should interest a range of people. The test is to name 10 items of ordnance. I will pass the baton to the person who, in my view, gets there first with ten correct answers.
Mike,
SOE Coal, No 21 Grenade, No 17 Fuze and Sectioned Mills Box (at a stretch cos there is one in it) count. The one you think is a No 33 is larger than a 33 (or Type E as it was known first [clue there somewhere]). There is a Mills but it is not a 'mini' Mills. The others are right of course but I'm looking for ordnance/ammunition items.
SOE Coal, No 21 Grenade, No 17 Fuze and Sectioned Mills Box (at a stretch cos there is one in it) count. The one you think is a No 33 is larger than a 33 (or Type E as it was known first [clue there somewhere]). There is a Mills but it is not a 'mini' Mills. The others are right of course but I'm looking for ordnance/ammunition items.
Norman . No 17 fuze ? I thought one was the No 17 grenade converted to an aerial bomb ? I think I got the Tromblon German RG as well ? I'm not very good , am I ! I shall be very interested to find out what the No33 lookalike is . Mike. PS . Some of the others are bullets .
Mike,
Absolutely right about the No 17 Grenade being converted but it is for the Hay Pocket Howitzer, still aerial tho'. Yes, the German 1917 Pattern RG is right too. That is good identification in my eyes. Another 5 and the floor is yours.
Absolutely right about the No 17 Grenade being converted but it is for the Hay Pocket Howitzer, still aerial tho'. Yes, the German 1917 Pattern RG is right too. That is good identification in my eyes. Another 5 and the floor is yours.
Helped by existing posts!
No 21 Grenade
SOE Explosive Coal
British Home Guard Molotoff Cocktail
Tromblon Grenade
German Kreigsmarine Scuttling timer
German 7.92 Panzerbusche 39 round
German 7.92 wooden bulleted blank
German Mark 1 Sabotage timer
.280/30 EM2 Alloy case
Paper cased .577 Snider
Japanese Pottery grenade
Second picture, top shelf
Is that a German Mark VI Sabotage timer hiding back left, and what is the fuze sectioned in the middle, back? Is it a McAlpine? If so, I am off for a lie down!
Cheers
Switch
No 21 Grenade
SOE Explosive Coal
British Home Guard Molotoff Cocktail
Tromblon Grenade
German Kreigsmarine Scuttling timer
German 7.92 Panzerbusche 39 round
German 7.92 wooden bulleted blank
German Mark 1 Sabotage timer
.280/30 EM2 Alloy case
Paper cased .577 Snider
Japanese Pottery grenade
Second picture, top shelf
Is that a German Mark VI Sabotage timer hiding back left, and what is the fuze sectioned in the middle, back? Is it a McAlpine? If so, I am off for a lie down!
Cheers
Switch
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OK Switch you get the baton but thanks to Mike, Tony and Tom for making a race of it. There are three McAlpine 'fuzes' being a whole and a sectioned model for the Stokes and a sectioned No 17 Pistol, and yes, a Mark VI timer. The 'pottery' grenade is in fact glass and very ancient, there is another variant in the cabinet.
For Mike the No 33 lookalike is a Type D grenade. Same construction as the No 33 Mk II but larger; it was used with full or half charges of HE for training primarily. There is also a weighted version which was filled with a lachrymatory powder (Hillite). A Land Service Grenade and a Tailed No 4 hides in the shadows. The 37mm is in fact a Royal Carriage Department made dummy. Northover cartridge was well spotted.
A pair of Baby Incendiary bombs and a cartridge for the same are next to the RCD dummy.
Tom spied the pair of Aerial Mills which for those unfamiliar with the items comprises two large pattern Mills grenades joined with a length of sash cord. These were fitted stretched out underneath your flimsy SE5A stringbag. You then flew for five hours in freezing conditions to get to 10,000 feet and creep slowly but surely above a Zeppelin. Pull the lever to release the two grenades to straddle the Zep and hey presto you discover the Zep is filled with a million gallons of hydrogen, or more likely ony one grenade releases and you have 9 seconds to decide what to do next - not one of Mills most popular ideas. Ah, yes I wondered what I had done with my shaving brush (a concealment device).
Just a few interesting SAA items including a couple of pencils and apologies to Tony for the fake wooden bullet which I made up to demonstrate the idea.
For Mike the No 33 lookalike is a Type D grenade. Same construction as the No 33 Mk II but larger; it was used with full or half charges of HE for training primarily. There is also a weighted version which was filled with a lachrymatory powder (Hillite). A Land Service Grenade and a Tailed No 4 hides in the shadows. The 37mm is in fact a Royal Carriage Department made dummy. Northover cartridge was well spotted.
A pair of Baby Incendiary bombs and a cartridge for the same are next to the RCD dummy.
Tom spied the pair of Aerial Mills which for those unfamiliar with the items comprises two large pattern Mills grenades joined with a length of sash cord. These were fitted stretched out underneath your flimsy SE5A stringbag. You then flew for five hours in freezing conditions to get to 10,000 feet and creep slowly but surely above a Zeppelin. Pull the lever to release the two grenades to straddle the Zep and hey presto you discover the Zep is filled with a million gallons of hydrogen, or more likely ony one grenade releases and you have 9 seconds to decide what to do next - not one of Mills most popular ideas. Ah, yes I wondered what I had done with my shaving brush (a concealment device).
Just a few interesting SAA items including a couple of pencils and apologies to Tony for the fake wooden bullet which I made up to demonstrate the idea.
Good Evening
Thanks to Mike, Tony and Tom for identifying at least half of the answers - Grenades are not my thing, and I totally missed the shaving brush (Which confirms it's effectiveness I suppose)
I am unable to post the photo's that I want at the moment - Techno issues!, so if anyone wants to drop in for a go, please go ahead.
Cheers
Switch
P.S. - I would be very interested on any further info on McAlpine delays if at all possible. F.
Thanks to Mike, Tony and Tom for identifying at least half of the answers - Grenades are not my thing, and I totally missed the shaving brush (Which confirms it's effectiveness I suppose)
I am unable to post the photo's that I want at the moment - Techno issues!, so if anyone wants to drop in for a go, please go ahead.
Cheers
Switch
P.S. - I would be very interested on any further info on McAlpine delays if at all possible. F.
