Unknown German projectile for ID please

[charley777]

The only measurement given is a calibre of about 114mm. Any ideas? Thank you
Shown with some 88mm projectiles

 

[fert]

Hello,
114mm is very close to british 4,5in. Excluding field gun due to crimping groove, could be AA gun?
never eard of german production. Very interesting.
all the best

 

[ThomasP]

The Germans use some captured 4.5" AA and Field guns. If it is not for the field gun then maybe the AA gun. The German gave a designation for the British 4.5" AA Gun (Land Service), so in theory they would probably have needed more ammunition than they captured with the guns.

The designation was 11.4 cm Flak (e) - I think.

 

[sgdbdr]

This one maybe ?



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Cheers,

S.

 

[Chris]

This one maybe ?

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Cheers,

S.

Can you put the document om BOCN please

 

[greif]

I think it is a practice shell for the Dutch 12 cm naval gun L/50 (Bofors), which was a captured gun in use with the German Navy. Dutch shells with copper driving bands and brass cases were used by the German Navy, but later in the war the Germans produced their own shells with iron driving bands and steel cases.

I don’t know the official German designation of the gun, but the German steel cartridge cases were designated 12 cm Patrh. 41 St (H) or in short in the head stamp: 12 – 41 St (H). Case dimensions are 120 x 720 mm.

The shell you are showing has some long arrows stamped in, which means it was an inert loaded shell for practice use. German naval practice shells were painted red hence the red paint in the stampings.

Both driving bands lack profile, so I think it was a recovered fired shell from which the rifling in the driving bands was turned off on a lathe.

Below a picture of 3 cartridges for the 12 cm gun. From left to right: a HE shell fitted with a Zt.Z.S/30 and iron driving bands on a steel case, then a star shell fitted with a Zt.Z.S/60 nA and iron driving bands on a brass case and at last a practice shell fitted with a zinc transport plug and copper driving bands on a steel case.

Also a picture of the headstamp of a steel case. Note that the electric C/22 primer is not correct, this must be a C/12 primer.

The pictures were taken at the Warmuseum Overloon in the Netherlands.

 

[charley777]

I think it is a practice shell for the Dutch 12 cm naval gun L/50 (Bofors), which was a captured gun in use with the German Navy. Dutch shells with copper driving bands and brass cases were used by the German Navy, but later in the war the Germans produced their own shells with iron driving bands and steel cases.

I don’t know the official German designation of the gun, but the German steel cartridge cases were designated 12 cm Patrh. 41 St (H) or in short in the head stamp: 12 – 41 St (H). Case dimensions are 120 x 720 mm.

The shell you are showing has some long arrows stamped in, which means it was an inert loaded shell for practice use. German naval practice shells were painted red hence the red paint in the stampings.

Both driving bands lack profile, so I think it was a recovered fired shell from which the rifling in the driving bands was turned off on a lathe.

Below a picture of 3 cartridges for the 12 cm gun. From left to right: a HE shell fitted with a Zt.Z.S/30 and iron driving bands on a steel case, then a star shell fitted with a Zt.Z.S/60 nA and iron driving bands on a brass case and at last a practice shell fitted with a zinc transport plug and copper driving bands on a steel case.

Also a picture of the headstamp of a steel case. Note that the electric C/22 primer is not correct, this must be a C/12 primer.

The pictures were taken at the Warmuseum Overloon in the Netherlands.

Thanks very much for the detailed reply. I will pass the information to the owner of the shell. Very interesting indeed